Is Pluto a Collisional Family? Examining its Unique Orbit and Recent Moons

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In summary, the conversation discusses the classification of Pluto as a dwarf planet and the different terms used to describe it, such as TNO, Plutoid, and Minor Planet. It also mentions the unique aspect of Pluto's orbit being outside the ecliptic plane and its gravitational relationship with Neptune. The discussion also raises questions about the IAU's definition of a planet and the possibility of Pluto and Neptune both not meeting that criteria. Finally, there is a mention of the New Horizons probe and its potential to provide more data on Pluto and its origin.
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I realize that some people may still be sensitive concerning Pluto's declassification as a "planet" by the IAU. However, what the IAU did not do was establish exactly what Pluto is. As a result, Pluto is now considered a "Trans-Neptunian Object", a "Kuiper Belt Object", a "Plutoid", a "Dwarf Planet", a "Minor Planet", and a "Planetoid."

One thing that does set Pluto apart from all the other planets is that its orbit is not in the same ecliptic plane as the rest of the planets. While its eccentric orbit does bring Pluto within the orbit of Neptune, it never actually crosses Neptune's orbit because Pluto's orbit is at a completely different angle. So there is no gravitational influence by Neptune on Pluto, or visa versa.

Considering the four new moons recently discovered around Pluto, Charon making five moons, perhaps Pluto might be considered a "collisional family." What do you think?
 
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Pluto has been categorized as a dwarf planet. It can also be called a TNO if you want. However, not all dwarf planets are a TNOs

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I'm not sure if we can consider them a collisional family with the data we currently have on Pluto. Perhaps in the future when we obtain more data from the New Horizons probe, we could verify whether or not they originated from a common object.
 
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One thing that does set Pluto apart from all the other planets is that its orbit is not in the same ecliptic plane as the rest of the planets. While its eccentric orbit does bring Pluto within the orbit of Neptune, it never actually crosses Neptune's orbit because Pluto's orbit is at a completely different angle. So there is no gravitational influence by Neptune on Pluto, or visa versa.

while the fact that Pluto's orbital plane lies outside the ecliptic does make it unique with respect to the planets, the rest of what you said here isn't quite true. Pluto's orbital path doesn't literally have to cross that of Neptune's in order to influence it gravitationally. they simply have to be close enough to one another in their orbits to influence each other gravitationally. in fact, the two objects actually never stop influencing one another gravitationally. of course the magnitude of that influence is negligible when Neptune and Pluto are more or less on opposite sides of the Sun/solar system. and sometimes Uranus, even from a greater distance (though still sufficiently close), can still exert more gravity on Neptune than Pluto...so even in situations where Pluto is fairly close to Neptune (and can therefore exert more gravity on it), the gravitational influence between them is still negligible in the grand scheme of things. that said, rest assured that Neptune and Pluto are always exerting gravitational influence on one another, however unnoticeable it may be.
 
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while the fact that Pluto's orbital plane lies outside the ecliptic does make it unique with respect to the planets, the rest of what you said here isn't quite true. Pluto's orbital path doesn't literally have to cross that of Neptune's in order to influence it gravitationally. they simply have to be close enough to one another in their orbits to influence each other gravitationally. in fact, the two objects actually never stop influencing one another gravitationally. of course the magnitude of that influence is negligible when Neptune and Pluto are more or less on opposite sides of the Sun/solar system. and sometimes Uranus, even from a greater distance (though still sufficiently close), can still exert more gravity on Neptune than Pluto...so even in situations where Pluto is fairly close to Neptune (and can therefore exert more gravity on it), the gravitational influence between them is still negligible in the grand scheme of things. that said, rest assured that Neptune and Pluto are always exerting gravitational influence on one another, however unnoticeable it may be.
I will grant you that gravitationally speaking, every object tugs on every other object, even if that tug is negligible. An apple falling from a tree, while being tugged by Earth's gravity toward the surface, also exerts a negligible tug against the Earth due to the apple's tiny gravity.

If it is considered that Pluto has not "cleared its neighbourhood", gravitationally speaking, due to the presence of Neptune, even though they are separated by several million miles at their closest approach. Then would that not also exclude Neptune from "planet" status since it has also not "cleared its neighbourhood"?

This is another example of the failure of the IAU to make a proper definition. Just how much gravitational influence on an object must another object have before it is no longer considered a planet?
 
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ViperSRT3g said:
I'm not sure if we can consider them a collisional family with the data we currently have on Pluto. Perhaps in the future when we obtain more data from the New Horizons probe, we could verify whether or not they originated from a common object.

I agree. The limited data we currently have is inconclusive. I am looking forward to the New Horizons probe reaching Pluto next July. That will give us a lot more answers, and hopefully a few new questions.

Personally, I do not care if Pluto is a "planet" or a "dwarf planet" or a "collisional family." Unlike the IAU, I am more interested in determining what Pluto really is, rather than what it is not.
 

1. What is a "collisional family" of objects?

A collisional family is a group of objects in the same region of space that are believed to have originated from the same parent body due to a collision. In the case of Pluto, it is thought that its large moon Charon and its four smaller moons are part of its collisional family.

2. How did Pluto's collisional family form?

It is believed that Pluto's collisional family formed during a giant impact event between Pluto and another large object, similar to the collision that formed Earth's moon. This event would have shattered the parent body and created debris that eventually coalesced to form Charon and the other smaller moons.

3. How do scientists study Pluto's collisional family?

Scientists study Pluto's collisional family through a combination of observations and computer simulations. They use telescopes to observe the moons and their orbits, as well as analyze data from spacecraft missions like New Horizons. They also use computer simulations to model the formation and evolution of the collisional family over time.

4. What can studying Pluto's collisional family tell us about the history of the solar system?

Studying Pluto's collisional family can provide valuable insights into the history of the solar system. By analyzing the size, composition, and orbits of the moons in the family, scientists can learn more about the conditions in the early solar system and the processes that shaped the formation of objects like Pluto and its moons.

5. Are there other collisional families in the solar system?

Yes, there are several other collisional families in the solar system, including the asteroid families in the asteroid belt and the cometary families in the Kuiper Belt. These families provide evidence of past collisions and can help us understand the formation and evolution of the objects in our solar system.

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