Earth-Moon vs Earth-Sun Lagrangian Point system

In summary, the Sun's influence on the stability of Lagrangian points differs between the Earth-Moon system and the Earth-Sun system. While the Sun has a significant influence on the Earth-Moon system, it does not play a major role in the Earth-Sun system. Additionally, the Sun's perturbation affects the stability of the Lagrange points, with the Earth/Moon points being less stable compared to the Sun/Earth points. However, simulations have shown that stable orbits can still be achieved in the Earth/Moon points.
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Does the Sun influence the stability of the Lagrangian points in the Earth-Moon system?

Apparently the concept of Lagrangian points works both in the Earth-Moon system and the Earth-Sun system. However, In the Earth-Moon system the Sun, as a third body, has a big influence on the two body Earth-Moon system. In the Earth-Sun system there is no significant third body. Is there a difference in which the Lagrangian point concept works in the two systems?
 
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Don't forget that the difference between Spring and Neap tides is mostly due to the Solar tide...

IIRC, the 'classic' Earth/Moon Lagrange points are unstable due to perturbation by the Sun, but a slow 'orbit' around those points let's space telescopes etc hold position long enough to be useful...

IIRC, the Sun/Earth system's leading and trailing 'Trojan' Lagrange points are rather more stable, but they're stirred by eg Venus...
 
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Here's an article you might find interesting. I've tried simulating objects in the Earth/Moon L4 and L5 points and could only get them to complete a few orbits before becoming unstable. But this article describes simulations where John E. Chambers and Jack J. Lissauer were able to find stable orbits. Mr. Chambers was kind enough to send me the initial conditions of these objects, and indeed they lasted indefinately in my simulations too.

http://www.nasa.gov/centers/ames/research/2008/Lissauer.html
 

1. What is a Lagrangian Point system?

A Lagrangian Point system is a collection of five points in space where the gravitational forces of two celestial bodies, such as the Earth and the Moon or the Earth and the Sun, balance each other out. These points are stable and allow spacecraft to maintain a relatively stationary position in relation to the two bodies.

2. How does the Earth-Moon vs Earth-Sun Lagrangian Point system work?

In the Earth-Moon vs Earth-Sun Lagrangian Point system, the gravitational forces of the Earth and the Moon or the Earth and the Sun interact to create a stable equilibrium. The spacecraft positioned at these points experience a net gravitational force of zero, allowing them to remain in a relatively fixed position in space.

3. What are the advantages of using the Earth-Moon vs Earth-Sun Lagrangian Point system?

The Earth-Moon vs Earth-Sun Lagrangian Point system offers several advantages for spacecraft, including a stable and relatively stationary position, low fuel requirements for station-keeping, and reduced exposure to harmful radiation and solar winds.

4. What are some potential uses for the Earth-Moon vs Earth-Sun Lagrangian Point system?

The Lagrangian Point system has been used for various purposes such as satellite and telescope placement, asteroid and comet research, and spacecraft monitoring of solar activity. It has also been proposed for future use in space exploration and establishing permanent human settlements.

5. Are there any challenges in using the Earth-Moon vs Earth-Sun Lagrangian Point system?

One of the main challenges of using the Earth-Moon vs Earth-Sun Lagrangian Point system is maintaining a stable orbit. Minor perturbations from other celestial bodies or solar radiation can cause spacecraft to drift from their designated positions, requiring constant monitoring and adjustments. Additionally, the Lagrangian Points are not always in the same location, so spacecraft must be able to maneuver to stay within the region of stability.

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