Covariant vs. contravariant time component

In summary, the conversation discusses the identification of a particle's energy with p0 instead of p0 and the theoretical basis for this choice. It also touches on the use of different metrics and the relationship between covariant and contravariant components. The concept of a timelike Killing vector and its application to the conservation of energy along a particle's worldline is also mentioned. Finally, there is a question about the coordinate expression of the energy and the confusion between p0 and p0 in different metrics. The conversation ends with a question about the definition of k = \frac{\partial}{\partial t} as a vector.
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...of the four-momentum vector.

Why is the energy of a particle identified with p0 instead of p0? Is there a theoretical basis for this, or was it simply observed that p0 is conserved in a larger set of circumstances?
 
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How is the metric written in that book (-+++) or (+---)?

Covariant and contravariant components are related by the metric.

Just make sure the energy is positive.
 
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In the more usual metric (+---) of SR, p^0 and p_0 are equal, so it doesn't matter which you use. In any event, although they are equal, it should be p^0 that is the physical energy since the four-momentum is a contravariant vector.
If you are reading a book that uses the metric (-+++), then everything could be different.
 
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I did not have the Minkowski metric specifically in mind. If one uses the Schwarzschild metric -- or any other diagonal metric with [tex]|g_{00}|\neq1[/tex] -- p0 and p0 differ by more than just the sign; they have different magnitudes, so the energy of a particle cannot have both values. It's been my impression that in such circumstances one uses the covariant form instead of the contravariant form, but I don't know why.
 
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snoopies622 said:
If one uses the Schwarzschild metric

If one uses standard Schwarzschild coordinates, then

[tex]k = \frac{\partial}{\partial t}[/tex]

is a timelike Killing vector. If [itex]u[/itex] is the 4-velocity of a freely falling particle, then

[tex]E = g \left( k , u \right)[/tex]

is constant along the particle's worldline.

What is the coordinate expression of the above coordinate-free expression?
 
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What I had in mind was

[tex] p^0=m_0 c \frac{dt}{d\tau} [/tex] while [tex] p_0= g_{00}m_0 c \frac{dt}{d\tau}=(1-\frac{r_s}{r})m_0 c \frac{dt}{d\tau}[/tex]

where [tex]d\tau=ds/c[/tex] and [tex]ds[/tex] is defined using the Schwarzschild metric. Since [tex](1-\frac{r_s}{r})[/tex] won't equal 1 while r is finite, these two terms (p0 and p0) have different values, and I don't know which one (if either) represents the energy of the particle.

Regarding the coordinate-free expression, when you say that [tex]k = \frac{\partial}{\partial t}[/tex] is a vector, do you mean the partial derivative of the displacement vector with respect to coordinate time? or of a different vector?
 
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1. What is the difference between covariant and contravariant time component?

Covariant and contravariant time component are terms used in physics to describe the behavior of time in different reference frames. In simple terms, covariant time component refers to the absolute time in a given reference frame, while contravariant time component refers to the relative time between two reference frames.

2. How does covariant time component relate to time dilation?

Covariant time component is directly related to time dilation, which is the phenomenon where time appears to pass slower for an object that is in motion relative to an observer. In this case, the covariant time component is the absolute time measured by the observer, while the contravariant time component is the relative time measured by the moving object.

3. What is the significance of covariant and contravariant time component in special relativity?

In special relativity, the concept of covariant and contravariant time component is crucial in understanding the effects of time dilation and how time is perceived in different reference frames. This understanding is essential in accurately describing the behavior of objects moving at high speeds and in predicting their behavior.

4. Can you give an example of how covariant and contravariant time component are used in physics?

One example is the famous twin paradox, where one twin travels at high speeds and experiences time dilation, resulting in a difference in their ages compared to the twin who stayed on Earth. In this case, the covariant time component is the absolute time experienced by the twin on Earth, while the contravariant time component is the relative time experienced by the traveling twin.

5. How do covariant and contravariant time component affect the measurement of time in different reference frames?

Since covariant and contravariant time component describe the relationship between time in different reference frames, they play a significant role in how time is measured and perceived in these reference frames. They help explain the observed effects of time dilation and how time is experienced differently by observers in different frames of reference.

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