Exploring the Minimum Radius of a Star: De Broglie Wavelength

In summary, the conversation is about describing the limit for the minimum radius of a star to first year university level students and understanding the critical density of the material in the star's core. The use of de Broglie wavelength and a toy model for a spinning star is suggested as a solution. The conversation also touches on the equation for the surface of a rotating ellipsoid and its relevance to the flattening of the Earth.
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Homework Statement


I am trying to describe the limit for the minimum radius of a star to first year university level students in order to describe the reason for the size of the Sun. I'm a bit confused by the critical density of the material in the star's core and how we know that the main sequence stars have no degenerate electrons.


Homework Equations

I think to find the critical density we consider de Broglie wavelength of electrons in terms of lambda = h/mv where m and v are the mass and velocity of the electrons. Any help on how to proceed using de Broglie would be great!



The Attempt at a Solution

 
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Hello! I established a toy model for spinning star in a paper weaks ago, at undergraduate level, below are prat of this work.

Supposing that a star of mass $M$ consists of incompressible fluid of density $\rho$, and it rotates uniformly around its geologically fixed polar axis at a constant angular velocity of $\omega$, relative to an inertial reference $R$ at rest. To fix a 3D Cartesian coordinate system $R_C[O;\vec{i},\vec{j},\vec{k}]$ and a spherical
one $R_S[O;\vec{e_r},\vec{e_\theta},\vec{e_\varphi}]$, who share the same origin which coincides the geometrical center of the star, and the unit vector $\vec{k}$ forms a right-handed spiral mathematical
structure with the spin. Hence, in equilibrium, an arbitrary mass element with coordinates $P(r,\theta,\varphi)$ receives two body forces:
\begin{equation}
\vec{F_1}=-F_1{\vec{e_r}}
\end{equation}
\begin{equation}
\vec{F_2}=\omega^2r\cos\beta(\cos\beta\vec{e_r}+\sin\beta\vec{e_\theta})
\end{equation}
where $\vec{F_1}$ is gravitation from the remaining mass of the star, $\vec{F_2}$ being the centrifugal inertial force, $\beta$
being the declination, $\beta=\frac{\pi}{2}-\theta$. The equation of equilibrium for the very mass element is$[1]$ :
\begin{equation}
\rho\vec{F}=\nabla p
\end{equation}
Considering that
\begin{equation}
\vec{F}=\vec{F_1}+\vec{F_2}
\end{equation}
and the gradient operator in spherical coordinates is:
\begin{equation}
\nabla=\frac{\partial}{\partial r}\vec{e_r}+\frac{1}{r}\frac{\partial}{\partial\theta}\vec{e_\theta}+\frac{1}{r\sin\theta}\frac{\partial}{\partial\varphi}\vec{e_\varphi}
\end{equation}
Then Eq3 turns into
\begin{subequations}
\begin{equation}
\rho(-F_1+\omega^2r\cos^2\beta)=\frac{\partial p}{\partial r}
\end{equation}
\begin{equation}
\frac{1}{2}\rho\omega^2r\sin2\beta=\frac{1}{r}\frac{\partial
p}{\partial \theta}=-\frac{1}{r}\frac{\partial p}{\partial \beta}
\end{equation}
\begin{equation}
0=\frac{1}{r\sin\theta}\frac{\partial p}{\partial
\varphi}=\frac{\partial p}{\partial \varphi}
\end{equation}
\end{subequations}
These are the componential equations of equilibrium under impressible fluid scenario. Immediately, let's get down to the equation of the stellar surface. \\

The surface is a generalized equipotential one, and the potential energy $U_m$ per unit mass is the resultant of its gravitational potential energy $U_1$ and the centrifugal inertial potential energy $U_2$$[2]$.
\begin{equation}
U_m=U_1+U_2
\end{equation}
Assuming the stellar mass distribution is spherically symmetric, and the gravitational potential energy is set zero for reference in $r=+\infty$, then \emph{approximately}
\begin{equation}
U_1=-\frac{GM}{r}
\end{equation}
As to $U_2$, an alternative approach to $\vec{F_2}$ is:
\begin{equation}
\vec{F_2}=-\nabla U_2=-\frac{\partial U_2}{\partial r}\vec{e_r}-\frac{1}{r}\frac{\partial U_2}{\partial \theta}
\vec {e_\theta}
\end{equation}
Comparison of the coefficients of each orthogonal components in Eq2
and Eq9 lead to
\begin{subequations}
\begin{equation}
\frac{\partial U_2}{\partial r}=-\omega^2r\cos^2\beta
\end{equation}
\begin{equation}
\frac{\partial U_2}{\partial
\theta}=-\frac{1}{2}\omega^2r^2\sin2\beta
\end{equation}
\text{For $\frac{\partial U_2}{\partial \theta}=-\frac{\partial
U_2}{\partial \beta}$, Eq$10b$ also reads}
\begin{equation}
\frac{\partial U_2}{\partial \beta}=\frac{1}{2}\omega^2r^2\sin2\beta
\end{equation}
\end{subequations}
Hence, the proper differential of $U_2$ is
\begin{equation}
\begin{split}
dU_2&=\frac{\partial U_2}{\partial r}dr+\frac{\partial U_2}{\partial
\beta}d\beta\\
&=-\omega^2r\cos^2\beta dr+\frac{1}{2}\omega^2r^2\sin2\beta d\beta\\
&=-d\left(\frac{1}{2}\omega^2r^2\cos^2\beta \right)
\end{split}
\end{equation}
Set the centrifugal potential energy to be zero for reference at
$r=0$ (Noting that $\beta=\frac{\pi}{2}$ corresponds to Riemannian
singularity, and lacks generality), after integral we have
\begin{equation}
U_2=-\frac{1}{2}\omega^2r^2\cos^2\beta
\end{equation}
\begin{equation}
U_m=U_1+U_2=-\frac{GM}{r}-\frac{1}{2}\omega^2r^2\cos^2\beta
\end{equation}
As to Eq13, considering that the zero point for $U_m$, and $U_1$ and $U_2$ are selected individually, the resultant $U_m$ is divergent
for both $r=\infty$ and $r=0$. However, because Eq13 is employed for investigations simply at $r=\bar{R}$ ($\bar{R}$ refers to the mean
value of the stellar's radii) where $U_m$ is conservative, there's no need to re-asset the zero potential point for $U_m$ here. Since
the surface is equipotential, $U_m = \text{constant}=C$, then
\begin{equation}
-\frac{GM}{r}-\frac{1}{2}\omega^2r^2\cos^2\beta=C
\end{equation}
Denote $R_p$ to be the radius between the center and one pole( $R_p$ is observable), then insert the boundary condition $\{\beta=\frac{\pi}{2},r=R_p\}$ into Eq14, we have
\begin{equation}
C=-\frac{GM}{R_p}
\end{equation}
From Eq14 and Eq15, the equation of the surface reads
\begin{equation}
f(r,\beta)=\frac{1}{2}\omega^2r^2\cos^2\beta+\frac{GM}{r}-\frac{GM}{R_p}=0
\end{equation}
or
\begin{equation}
f(r,\theta)=\frac{1}{2}\omega^2r^2\sin^2\theta+\frac{GM}{r}-\frac{GM}{R_p}=0
\end{equation}
The physical background for the geometrical equations of the surface is the equipotential conditions. According to the symmetric
properties, Eq16 or Eq17 refers to the surface of a rotating ellipsoid geometrically, which is generated by the rotation around
the minor axis of the ellipse whose major axis is the diameter of the stellar's equator and minor axis is the diameter between two
opposite poles. In particular, for the equator, $\theta=\frac{\pi}{2}(\beta=0)$, $r=R_E$, then from Eq17 we have
\begin{equation}
\frac{R_E-R_P}{R_P}=\eta=\frac{\omega^2R_E^3}{2GM}
\end{equation}
where $\eta$ is traditionally defined$[3]$ as the flattening of the a rotating ellipsoid. If $\eta$ is slight, the rotating ellipsoid
is also called analogous sphere. Eq18 provides a direct perception of the effect of the horizontal expansion due to spin. The faster
the stellar's spin and the larger the volume($R_E^3$), the more serious the deformation. As for the Earth we live on,
$R_P=6356.766km$, $R_E=6378.160km$, $\omega=\frac{2\pi}{24\times 3600}rad\cdot s^{-1}\approx 7.27\times10^{-5} rad\cdot s^{-1}$,
$G=6.67\times10^{-11}N\cdot m^2\cdot kg^{-2}$, $M=5.796\times 10^{24}kg$$[3]$, hence
\begin{equation}
\eta_e=\frac{\omega^2R_E^3}{2GM}\approx 0.1773\times10^{-2}
\end{equation}
which is about half of the popular value, thus Eq18 is reasonable to a considerable degree. And the flattening of the Earth is small, so it can be treated as a analogous sphere in certain astrophysical problems for accuracy.

You can contact tianwj1@gmail.com for a texified pdf file with visual formulae.
 
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Since you referred to degenerate electrons, then, I don't think there's an ideal way, which is rigorous, yet acceptable for first year university level students.
 

1. What is the De Broglie wavelength and how does it relate to stars?

The De Broglie wavelength is a concept in quantum mechanics that describes the wavelength of a particle, such as an electron, in motion. It is related to stars because it can be used to determine the minimum radius of a star, which is the distance from the center of the star to its surface.

2. How is the De Broglie wavelength calculated for stars?

The De Broglie wavelength for stars can be calculated using the formula λ = h/mv, where λ is the wavelength, h is Planck's constant, m is the mass of the star, and v is its velocity. This formula is based on the principle that all particles, including stars, have both wave-like and particle-like properties.

3. What is the significance of exploring the minimum radius of a star using the De Broglie wavelength?

Exploring the minimum radius of a star using the De Broglie wavelength is significant because it allows us to better understand the properties and behavior of stars. It also helps us to determine the stability and lifespan of a star, as well as its potential for supporting life.

4. How does the De Broglie wavelength affect the classification of stars?

The De Broglie wavelength can affect the classification of stars by providing information about their size and mass. This, in turn, can help in determining the type and stage of a star's evolution, as well as its position on the Hertzsprung-Russell diagram.

5. Are there any limitations to using the De Broglie wavelength to explore the minimum radius of a star?

Yes, there are limitations to using the De Broglie wavelength to explore the minimum radius of a star. This method is most accurate for smaller, less massive stars, as the wavelength becomes increasingly difficult to measure for larger, more massive stars. It also assumes that the star is in a stable state and not undergoing any significant changes in velocity or mass.

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