Does entropy decrease during the formation of stars and the freezing of water?

In summary, the total entropy of the universe increases when stars are created from dust and water freezes. However, this creates an illusion of decreased entropy as a significant amount is moved from one region of the universe to another. This can also be seen in everyday devices such as refrigerators and air conditioners.
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Does entropy decrease when stars are created from a dust?
Does etropy decrease when water freezes?
 
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You have to specify the entropy of what.

If you are referring to "the universe", then no in both cases.
 
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10bunny10 said:
Does entropy decrease when stars are created from a dust?
Does entropy decrease when water freezes?

The total entropy of the universe increases in both cases.
However, a significant amount of entropy is moved from one region of the universe to the other in both cases. This creates an illusion that entropy has increased.
In the case of the water, entropy decreases in the part of the liquid water that become solid. However, the water that freezes to ice gives off heat to the remaining water. This heat is absorbed by a cold reservoir. So the entropy of the cold reservoir increases. The increase of entropy in the reservoir far exceeds the decrease in entropy in the part of the water that freezes.
Similar arguments apply to the star in formation. Only part of the gas cloud gets collected in the star. There is a decrease in entropy in that part of the gas cloud that becomes a star. In this case, heat is given off to the remaining gas. The temperature of the remaining gas goes up. So the entropy of the remaining gas increases.
The gas cloud gives off heat to the surrounding universe. This results in an increase of entropy in the entire universe.
It is important to distinguish between moving entropy elsewhere and destroying entropy. Entropy can decrease in a small area by moving the entropy somewhere else. Entropy is not destroyed in such a process. Many physics newbies don't appreciate the fact that entropy can move.
Every refrigerator and every air conditioner has a device for moving hot air somewhere else. There is a great deal of entropy created in the air that is heated. Furthermore, entropy from the cooled region gets shoved into this hot air. So while the entropy decreases in the cooled region, it increases everywhere else.
 

1. What is entropy?

Entropy is a measure of the disorder or randomness in a system. It is often described as the amount of energy that is unavailable for work in a system.

2. How does entropy relate to stars?

In the context of stars, entropy can be thought of as the level of disorder in the internal structure and energy distribution of a star. As a star ages, it experiences an increase in entropy as its energy becomes more evenly distributed and its internal structure becomes more disordered.

3. Can entropy explain the formation of ice in space?

Yes, entropy plays a crucial role in the formation of ice in space. As a gas cloud collapses due to gravity, the particles within become more densely packed and their energy becomes more evenly distributed, resulting in a decrease in entropy. This decrease in entropy allows for the formation of ordered structures, such as ice crystals.

4. How does entropy affect the lifespan of a star?

Entropy has a direct impact on the lifespan of a star. As a star ages and experiences an increase in entropy, it becomes less efficient at producing energy through nuclear fusion. This results in a gradual decrease in the amount of fuel available to sustain the star, ultimately leading to its death.

5. Can entropy be reversed in a closed system?

No, entropy cannot be reversed in a closed system. The Second Law of Thermodynamics states that in a closed system, entropy will either remain constant or increase over time. This means that once a system reaches a state of maximum entropy, it cannot return to a state of lower entropy without an external input of energy.

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