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what a great scene! i haven't watched caddyshack in a while! oh that naughty lama!
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Not sure what kind of explanation you are looking for. Like revealing the secret of some magic trick? (Of course, in some cases that's exactly what it is. ) I challenge just about any high-level athlete to "explain" how they do what they do.Ivan Seeking said:So then should we assume that in fact martial artists cannot explain their own feats of strength and skill? We have tried to have this discussion several times, but no one seems willing to take on direct questions. This usually happens when people are unable to answer those questions.
http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2001/Feb-25-Sun-2001/news/15519751.htmlMost of the nine officers who witnessed or took part in the five-minute attempt to subdue Le Menn described the Frenchman to jurors as a madman who growled, screamed nonsense and had the ability to throw officers around a cell with superhuman strength.
http://www.psy.psychiatryonline.org/cgi/content/full/40/4/356Although PCP abusers valued it for its psychedelic properties, the terrifying hallucinations and sensory numbing it induced often led those under its influence to display violent and erratic behavior, including superhuman strength and imperviousness to painful stimuli along with telltale ataxia and nystagmus
Jesus controls all the forces of nature in our local universe – whether living or non-living. God is love, thus all that happens with every molecule in our universe is purposed for love. We live in a welcoming universe of progress. This is the setting from my subjective experience. Experience is always our best litmus as to our own way of viewing God’s love. As scientists, religionists and philosophers, we need to realize our dependence on each other to in essence; prove God as best we can. I acknowledge your groups purpose in getting to the truth. Let me take a moment here to explain my view of truth since the One God Concept, as we know it today evolved from the times of Melchizedek and Abraham, around 2000 BC. Missionaries from the far east went to study at Jerusalem, then know as Salem. The Yellow race or founders of Taoism (Daoism) focused on those teachings that concerned the universal principle of positive and aggressive – and negative and retiring. From these they created their cosmogony that dictated the principles of healing and fighting. The Chinese are the most warlike and at the same time the most peaceful of the colored races. The way the world has explained chi, ki, prana, mana or life force has in my opinion lacked the true core meaning that we all can relate to, and as far as I am concerned what we all can relate to are truisms that we can see similarities over differences about. I operate as a long time liver of The Urantia Book. My religion is the religion of the “I am” and is based on the principle for me that only Jesus is the True Master. Now that you know my position in the big picture, let me address you question more specifically.
All feats of so-called chi are tricks that can be reproduced if the demonstrator is willing to be honest. For instance, you mentioned Ed’s stack of bricks without spacers. Ask yourself if it could be possible to pick, stack, age, dry or otherwise have inner knowledge of the substance so as to provide an advantage. Even if the practitioner does have these special insights for advantage, it is still a ‘calculated’ risk to be appreciated. When the breaker does the demonstration for power over others or glory for themselves, they are practicing evil. Secrets do not advance ethics. Let us take coconuts for example. I can stack three coconuts and pretty much be able to break the top of three, middle of three or bottom of three. I could be secretive and let you figure it out, or I could save you the time and tell you that it is all in the experience of guessing which coconut is harder. The hard will break the softer under it, or if you put the softer on top, it will break first. The energies of occultism are real to a point. Real occultists or martial artists like myself welcome the grafting of science on to our older pagan science. We do this with oriental medicine. The more of your group that analyze and ruthlessly scrutinize The Urantia Book, the easier it will be for you to set the trend as pioneers wanting to put to science not just chi, but drugs and other things. It is sort of like going to the doctor who tells you your readings are high for possible prostrate cancer. Someone like me says thanks for the diagnosis, but I can heal myself. In other words, we are our own physicians.
I am the only martial artist in the world who has defined chi as basically faith and courage training. All the lessons of life for any of us come from these. Imagine being deaf, dumb and blind. You could still hear God’s guidance and hear celestial music. This would be the challenge: To realize we all will have to learn to cloth ourselves with our thoughts as we progress the mansions worlds. Though by thought – “turn on, tune in and take control.” We cannot really read each other’s minds and complete understanding of the sexes is unobtainable. We are stuck on a world that must now look for similarities over differences. When I break coconuts between pillows, it is basically a slam break. When I use a support hand it is basically a lift break. A coconut left in the sun will hairline break. Do brick breakers share this much? If chi is energy, then the debate is who created the energy and what does science call it. I think science will prove God in time. We cannot debunk faith and courage, thus we cannot debunk a person using any math leverage to accomplish anything. The debunkers job is to duplicate what the breaker does explaining it as I did with coconuts. That said; can you get hurt trying to duplicate the ‘tricks’? – most definitely! Moreover, therein lies the humor; to even try to duplicate the fakirs, jugglers, mesmerizes etc., is often most definitely a test of faith and courage.
Since life is progress but there is nothing new under the sun, culture must be learned each generation anew. Magic and Daoism are intertwined because Magic was pre-science. Much like our ancestors taming fire, we can use our faith and courage, or knowledge of “chi” to more deeply explain Jesus’ ultimate control of nature’s forces, or we can deny Jesus. In my opinion if we choose the later, it is we ourselves that shall be embarrassed by Him.
OK guys – you are the best and I am the worst, but hopefully this will vibrate with a third of you and the other two thirds hopefully can learn something of value from a fool. Our country and the world depend on you to advance all technology and the language of science so as to ‘prove’ things from the past that might with tweaking prove useful according to the all important customs, mores and traditions of our times. Our greatest challenge is to understand this qigong movement. How much more powerful would it be with the realization of Pentecost and Holy Spirit. I call that super consciousness rather than subconscious reaction. Rapid reasoning, quick judgment and discernment of spirit. In my humble opinion, a person connected to Holy Spirit could never lose a fight even to the most skilled martial artist. The Chinese used simple magic and that is how they attempted to explain any martial phenomenon. I think in large the white man shares much of their soul and sentiment.
Spirit and Will are the same. Courage is always tempered with reason. Some of my breaks have been absolutely phenomenal to me personally and done with no trickery. Other times I do creative breaks that push the limit of moving that chi or faith and courage to different areas of the body. The mind is not subject to gravity, thus the universe communicates with itself through reflectivity process. No one should be mystified by chi. Certainly the Chinese have no monopoly on it, nor do the Hindus, as Melchizedek (the first High Priest of Salem and Abraham’s mentor,) was the first to teach it to missionaries who traveled to Salem to learn and then obviously took what was useful for their purposes and ability to understand the big picture. I want everyone to ponder how Jesus parted the crown trying to walk him off a cliff. There are mental chi, physical and spiritual chi uses and we all literally use the concept of faith and courage training daily. A man who can support his family is using chi daily in a successful way.
This took me an hour to pen off the tip of my head. It does not even scratch the surface, but it does address I hope certain aspects of chi perhaps not frequently talked about in this way. May you all through sharing your personal experiences help further the cause of truth!
Sincerely
James Patrick Lacy
www.ironpalm.com
http://www.qualitative-research.net/fqs-texte/1-03/1-03hanin-e.htmPerformance Related Emotional States in Sport: A Qualitative Analysis
Yuri L. Hanin
Abstract: In this paper, I provide a brief overview of the sports-specific individualized approach (termed—the Individual Zones of Optimal Functioning [IZOF] model) as an action-oriented framework for qualitative analysis of performance related emotional states. First, I highlight the issue of multidimensionality and introduce five basic dimensions (penta-basis) to describe performance-related emotional states. These dimensions include form, content/quality, intensity, time, and context. Four major IZOF-based predictions of emotion-performance relationships focus on interindividual variability of optimal emotion intensity and content, the in-out of the zone notion, interactive effects of emotions enhancing and impairing performance, and bi-directionality of emotion-performance relationships. Then, I describe several projects that use different data collection techniques for assessment of idiosyncratic emotion content. These include interviews, individualized emotion profiling, metaphor-generation method, and narratives. Future research directions from individualized and discursive perspectives are suggested and implications for combining qualitative and quantitative approaches in the analysis of performance related states are discussed. [continued]
Their belief in Chi would depend on what martial arts training they had. As far as actually using Chi, I don't see any evidence of it. Some Chi masters claim they can't be picked up or thrown, and I've never seen any evidence of this in the octagon. I've never seen any evidence of super-human punches, such as short punches doing any real damage during a ground and pound sequence. All of the knock-out punches I've seen were just good shots.Ivan Seeking said:Are you sure that UFC fighters haven't learned to use their own Chi?
My belief is there is no magical mental force going on
In my opinion, being in the "zone" is both physical and mental. Being in the zone occurs due a combination of things within your body so that your outputs are optimal, for example, your muscles responding exactly in the way you want them to. One factor is strength conditioning, if you're a little weak, it will take more input to get the same output, if you're a little strong, it takes less input to get the same output.there was a book called "The Art of Tennis" that discussed "the zone" at great length.
http://www.darpa.mil/dso/thrust/matdev/ehpa.htmThe goal of the Exoskeletons for Human Performance Augmentation Program is to develop devices and machines that will increase the speed, strength, and endurance of soldiers in combat environments. Projects will lead to self-powered, controlled, and wearable exoskeletal devices and/or machines and demonstrations of their utility in military applications. [continued]
Doc Al said:Oh yeah, that explains everything...
Silverbackman said:It could be, we really don't know what fundamental conscious awareness looks like ;).
:rofl: What complete nonsense! I take it you are neither a martial artist nor a physicist.invalid said:It really is as simple as thinking of it as your fundamental will or consciousness telling (or perhaps asking) the bricks to break. They respond because at the core, brick is pure consciousness, just like everything else in the universe. How easy or difficult it is depends on the ability of the martial artist to focus their will. As an addition, pure physical strength and adrenaline can be heightened/increased by the will. Martial artists come from a physical state of mind, with will/focus as secondary. A true master does not even need to strike the bricks to make them break. You may roll your eyes and call it magic but it is not. It is simply an individual interacting with the universe at an incredibly fundamental level. Striking the brick and using rituals simply aids in focus/expression of will.
Maybe that works in Star Wars, but I've yet to see any evidence of this in real life.A true master does not even need to strike the bricks to make them break.
No, but if you pull your arm back quickly into a defensive position, you're more likely to block any counter punch. Ever see a boxer retract on a hook, one of the more powerful punches? Twisting your fist during contact when striking a soft tissue area may do more damage.whether a retracted punch, assuming the same initial momentum, accelerations, an inelastic collision, etc., transfers more power than a straight-in punch
Mike Sigman said:But enough of that... I found this forum during a Google search and I wanted to ask someone if they know the answer to whether a retracted punch, assuming the same initial momentum, accelerations, an inelastic collision, etc., transfers more power than a straight-in punch. Can the retraction shift the Impulse enough to give an appreciable increase? Is there a better transfer of momentum affecting the results? Any ideas? Someone got any software that this problem would plug into? I'll trade some "chi" info for a little help. ;)
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Depends on who is trying to do the bending. As I previously posted, invite your grandmaster into the octagon with one of the top heavyweight UFC fighters. The grandmaster would be quickly dispatched. In the case of a arm bar, the grandmasters arm would get bent or broke if he didn't tap out. The difference here is that the UFC fighters train daily, conditining, how to take a punch, and all forms of martial arts. The results is a highly skilled, and quick martial artist, who is extremely strong.Grev said:So how do you explain some things like Aikido, like when the grand master's arms couldn't be bent?
Ok, pick a UFC fighter of the same weight as the aikido grand master, the outcome will still be the same. The claim that an aikido grandmaster arms can't be bent is science fiction to me, similar to claims by many grandmasters that they can't be thrown or even moved. I feel that these type of claims do harm to the world of martial arts.Ivan Seeking said:I don't see what we gain by arguing that a highly trained martial artist can subdue a highly trained [but likely much smaller] martial artist. What you seem to be saying is that UFC fighting is the latest evolution in the martial arts.
We call them "Aikido party tricks." I'll be more than happy to demonstrate them any day. You are falling into the mysticism trap of martial arts.Grev said:So how do you explain some things like Aikido, like when the grand master's arms couldn't be bent?
I'm sure he has a good grasp of body mechanics and human nature always tries to romanticise things but sometime even with my most critical switches on, I can't really think of a rational explanation...
Trust me, I'm not, I was just asking the question on how you guys would define it as skeptics.FredGarvin said:We call them "Aikido party tricks." I'll be more than happy to demonstrate them any day. You are falling into the mysticism trap of martial arts.
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There is certainly nothing to suggest otherwise. In order to have any significance we would need medical experts and independant witnesses that can verify the claim. What's more, this is easily repeated so there is no reason for any question to remain. This is pretty much a dead give-away: If it could be done any day of the week in any physics lab at any major university, we should all know it to be a fact.
Chi, also known as Qi, is a concept in Chinese philosophy that refers to the vital energy or life force that flows through all living beings and the universe. It is believed to be the fundamental force that governs the functioning of the human body and the universe.
There is no scientific evidence to support the existence of Chi as a tangible energy or force. However, the concept of Chi plays a significant role in traditional Chinese medicine and martial arts, and many people believe in its existence based on personal experiences and cultural beliefs.
Since Chi is not a scientifically proven concept, it cannot be measured or quantified using standard scientific methods. However, some studies have attempted to measure the effects of practices like acupuncture and Tai Chi, which are based on the concept of Chi, on the body's physiological processes.
In Chinese philosophy, Chi is believed to flow through channels or meridians in the body, influencing the functioning of organs and bodily systems. It is also associated with the balance and harmony of the mind, body, and spirit. Practices like acupuncture and Tai Chi aim to regulate the flow of Chi in the body to promote health and well-being.
Chi, prana, and ki are all concepts related to vital energy or life force in different cultures and belief systems. While they may share some similarities, they are not interchangeable, and their specific meanings and applications may vary. It is important to understand the cultural and philosophical context of each concept before making any comparisons or assumptions.