Effect of Solar Storms on the Grid and Nuke Plants?

In summary: The Oak Ridge National Laboratory report says that over the standard 40-year license term of nuclear power plants, solar flare activity enables a 33 percent chance of long-term power [grid] loss, a risk that significantly outweighs that of major earthquakes and tsunamis. The risk of a nuclear meltdown due to a solar storm is quite real, and measures must be taken to protect the electrical grid in the event of a major solar flare.
  • #36
you can foreseen what will be immense disaster from grid destruction , most running tap water is produce by treatment station , quantity of NPP will goes as Fukushima , most of cities population will be dying , we are so much dependent of electricity , it will take years to restore power and replace transformer
 
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  • #37
Astronuc said:
Nuclear plants are designed to shutdown when they lose connection to the grid. The decay heat is not sufficient to provide the turbine-generator with appropriate power to generate electricity. Instead, plants have backup or emergency diesel generators. Some NPPs may have fossil units nearby.

Some Canadian Nucs have been uniquely designed to have the capability to continue to operate after a grid disconnection/upset. At the moment of loss of grid, they immediately "step back" to ~ 75%FP . The tubine/generator continues to supply internal power and the remaining steam energy is dumped directly into the condenser. After the 2003 blackout, 4 CANDU reactors stayed operational and were a big factor in helping get the Ontario grid back in operation.
 
  • #38
were they located at Bruce power ?
 
  • #39
al2207 said:
were they located at Bruce power ?

Three units at Bruce and one at Darlington survived the grid upset and stabilized at ~ 60% FP awaiting approval to resync with the grid.
 
  • #40
i do not know if this was tried at point lepreau or gentilly they are Candu as well
at Gentilly GE had build back-up power with 2 or 3 jet turbine to supply NPP if needed
 
  • #41
al2207 said:
i do not know if this was tried at point lepreau or gentilly they are Candu as well
at Gentilly GE had build back-up power with 2 or 3 jet turbine to supply NPP if needed

Pt Lepreau and Gentilly II both have this capability of high power condenser dump. They are a "CANDU 6" design and the same design is used in the export reactors in China, Romania, South Korea and Argentina.
Gentilly is somewhat unique in that there is a 382 MW gas turbine plant built beside it that is used for grid peaking as well as a backup power source for G2. There are 4, 82Mwe GE gas turbines there.
 
  • #42
i had gone to both place in regard with motor control centers (Klockner Moeller )
 
  • #43
RealWing said:
Three units at Bruce and one at Darlington survived the grid upset and stabilized at ~ 60% FP awaiting approval to resync with the grid.

The CANDU design can stay in operation after a grid disconnect. They stay at high power at first to avoid problems with Xenon instability. The generator is only making enough power to meet the needs of the auxiliaries and the rest of the thermal energy is dumped into the condenser by steam bypass valves. If left disconnected for long enough they would eventually make it to 5% reactor power as the Xenon levels in the fuel dropped.

All current US plants trip the reactor on a loss of grid. The GE BWR plants could very easily be made to operate like the CANDU units but it would require extensive regulatory changes. At PWR plants there would have to be some level of modifications to the plants to let it happen.

The new plants being built in the US can continue to operate after a loss of grid (Westinghouse AP1000).
 
  • #44
""All current US plants trip the reactor on a loss of grid. ""

a true enough statement in practice, though by design some of them could island.

something called "degraded grid protection" might automatically cause a plant to trip on loss of grid if not implemented thoughtfully.
or if it relies on grid for its internal power...

if the plant is supplying its own power and the control system handles the transient as described for the Candu, there's no reason my old plant couldn't "island".
Internal power was tapped right off main generator, before it went out to grid, for that reason.
 
  • #45
nikkkom said:
I imagine the simplest solution is to shut down most of the grid when ultra-powerful solar flare is detected. Carrington event had ~6 hours gap between the flare and the onset of geomagnetic storm.

But that would hit profits and bonuses and dividends ,risky.
 
  • #46
yes there will be some impacts but what is consequence to do nothing ?
 
  • #47
large CME from sun today , expected disturbance by Saturday
 
  • #48
It's only an M class. Here's a chart of ground current detected at Norway.
http://spaceweather.com/submissions/large_image_popup.php?image_name=Rob-Stammes-CME-jan.22-2012-b_1327226723.jpg
 
  • #49
second punch , one more solar flare cat M8 effect S3 supposed to touch us tomorrow Jan 24
 
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  • #50
al2207 said:
second punch , one more solar flare cat M8 effect S3 supposed to touch us tomorrow Jan 24

Often these CME's take 2-3 days to reach us. This one has apparently accelerated to Earth in under 32 hours, a little slower than expected. The magnetosphere was compressed and satellites briefly exposed to solar wind plasma.

Respectfully submitted,
Steve
 
  • #51
solar flare will be most destructive forces in future years
look at: ed dames predictions
 
<h2>1. How do solar storms affect the power grid and nuclear plants?</h2><p>Solar storms, also known as geomagnetic storms, can have a significant impact on the power grid and nuclear plants. The intense bursts of energy from the sun can cause disruptions in the Earth's magnetic field, which can lead to power outages and damage to electrical equipment. In nuclear plants, solar storms can interfere with the operation of control systems and increase the risk of accidents.</p><h2>2. What specific effects do solar storms have on the power grid?</h2><p>Solar storms can cause power outages by inducing electric currents in power lines and transformers. This can overload the grid and cause equipment to fail. In extreme cases, entire regions can experience blackouts due to the effects of a solar storm on the power grid.</p><h2>3. How do nuclear plants prepare for solar storms?</h2><p>Nuclear plants have protocols in place to prepare for and mitigate the effects of solar storms. These may include shutting down certain systems or implementing backup power sources. Additionally, nuclear plants regularly undergo rigorous testing and maintenance to ensure they can withstand potential impacts from solar storms.</p><h2>4. Can solar storms cause a nuclear meltdown?</h2><p>In most cases, solar storms do not pose a direct threat of causing a nuclear meltdown. However, they can increase the risk of accidents by affecting control systems and power supply. Nuclear plants have safety measures in place to prevent meltdowns, but it is important for them to monitor and assess the effects of solar storms to ensure the safety of their operations.</p><h2>5. How can we protect the power grid and nuclear plants from solar storms?</h2><p>Protecting the power grid and nuclear plants from solar storms is a complex task that involves a combination of preventative measures and contingency plans. This may include implementing stronger and more resilient infrastructure, regularly monitoring and assessing the impacts of solar storms, and having emergency response plans in place. It is also important for governments and utility companies to work together to address the potential risks and ensure the safety and stability of the power grid and nuclear plants.</p>

1. How do solar storms affect the power grid and nuclear plants?

Solar storms, also known as geomagnetic storms, can have a significant impact on the power grid and nuclear plants. The intense bursts of energy from the sun can cause disruptions in the Earth's magnetic field, which can lead to power outages and damage to electrical equipment. In nuclear plants, solar storms can interfere with the operation of control systems and increase the risk of accidents.

2. What specific effects do solar storms have on the power grid?

Solar storms can cause power outages by inducing electric currents in power lines and transformers. This can overload the grid and cause equipment to fail. In extreme cases, entire regions can experience blackouts due to the effects of a solar storm on the power grid.

3. How do nuclear plants prepare for solar storms?

Nuclear plants have protocols in place to prepare for and mitigate the effects of solar storms. These may include shutting down certain systems or implementing backup power sources. Additionally, nuclear plants regularly undergo rigorous testing and maintenance to ensure they can withstand potential impacts from solar storms.

4. Can solar storms cause a nuclear meltdown?

In most cases, solar storms do not pose a direct threat of causing a nuclear meltdown. However, they can increase the risk of accidents by affecting control systems and power supply. Nuclear plants have safety measures in place to prevent meltdowns, but it is important for them to monitor and assess the effects of solar storms to ensure the safety of their operations.

5. How can we protect the power grid and nuclear plants from solar storms?

Protecting the power grid and nuclear plants from solar storms is a complex task that involves a combination of preventative measures and contingency plans. This may include implementing stronger and more resilient infrastructure, regularly monitoring and assessing the impacts of solar storms, and having emergency response plans in place. It is also important for governments and utility companies to work together to address the potential risks and ensure the safety and stability of the power grid and nuclear plants.

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