Evo said:
Evo said:
durt said:
I bet all the losers were too!durt said:
Evo said:
Here I admit my ignorance. I never watch these things.Loren Booda said:
It is a primarily female endeavor. The only reason for the swimsuit competitions in these pageants is to get some male viewership. I had a steady girlfriend in HS that drove me off with her incessant "planning" of our "future", and she capped it off with her participation in our state's version of that pageant. Why should a physically attractive young woman feel compelled to bank on her looks (and her burning desire for world peace) to compete against other physically attractive women in a "dog show"? The people running these pageants, their "consultants" and others are making big money off the insecurities and ambitions of pretty females who want to cash in on their physical beauty - a transient quality that in no way guarantees that the packaging accurately describes the contents.Math Is Hard said:
any pictures?Hurkyl said:
Hurkyl said:
Some of these girls have been conditioned to "choose" this by their families, too, so there's a lot of gray in this area. I've traveled extensively in my work (for a decade or so) and I can tell you that amongst the professionals I've worked with, a high percentage of them with attractive wives were pressing their cute little girls into pageants from a very early age, with lots of money being spent on voice training, diction, dance lessons, costumes, makeup, etc. By the time their daughters were 8-10 years old, they were old hands at putting on a front for visitors with beaming smiles and too-mature poses. It is far more prevalent in the south than in the northern states, but I remember my immediate boss (project superintendent) on a large apartment project in the 70's being inordinately proud that his little girl had taken the Little Miss Attleboro (Mass) title.Moonbear said:
edward said:
That seems like a good idea at first. but whenever you turn something into a competition you have people faking up the quality in question simply to win the competition.turbo-1 said:
Greg Bernhardt said:
Here's the transcript.Greg Bernhardt said:
Evo said:
Again, I don't really see this as any different than the little boys signed up for Little League, or another kids' sports team, as soon as they're big enough to hold a ball. I know people who have 3- and 4-year-olds signed up for soccer teams already. But when it's men/boys participating in sports and getting scholarships for athletic ability rather than academic talent, while some complain about the lack of academic talent, nobody is saying, "I can't believe in this day and age, they still allow boys to be paraded around for their physical attributes/abilities rather than their intelligence." Nobody questions if they are making a choice, or suggests they can't make that choice themselves. They are no less "conditioned" from an early age to prefer sports over some other activity.turbo-1 said:
Math Is Hard said:
She just forgot to fill out that response with, "And if I'm chosen as Miss Teen USA, I will visit schools around the country and start a campaign to ensure all Americans have access to world maps." :tongue:I think the kinds of things girls are drilled in doing for these pageants become more intrisic because they are about their very presence, rather than an activity like baseball. I saw an interview with a woman, about 35, who grew up as Turbo described, and she said she can now not smile: that is, she is incapable of simply relaxing her face and letting her expression become neutral. Angry, depressed, or in pain, she smiles. I see the same thing on a lot of the older Chinese people here where I live.Moonbear said:
Math Is Hard said:I hated his evening gown.
Moonbear said:Though, if you can get past the stumbling, it's a pretty hilarious answer...they can't find the US on a map because they don't have maps. :rofl: Yep, there is that...much harder to find it on a map without the map.