Damp dirt under great, sudden, pressure, acts like liquid?

In summary, when a frequency passes the modulus of elasticity of the soil, the ground can form into a liquid state. This can be used to clear land mines.
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I was digging a trench next to a building today so rain water would not back up to the buildings wall. Most of the material was soil but there were some large chunks of concrete. The largest chunk of concrete that was too heavy to move was pryed up and supported on the left and right sides with smaller stones as well as being supported by the ground. The idea was to beat the concrete in the middle with a sledge hammer and break it into smaller pieces. About a half to an inch layer of damp dirt lay on the top of the concrete. I swung a 20 pound sledge hammer with good effort and did little to the concrete but I compressed the dirt to such an extent that the dirt seemed to turn into a liquid and splattered with great velocity in a narrow fan shaped jets whose velocity was mostly perpendicular to the sledge velocity just before impact. After the shock of being sprayed by high velocity dirt wore off, subsequent blows to the concrete broke it up.

Was the damp dirt changed into a liquid like material by the hammer blow? If the dirt were dry I don't think the same effect would have occurred (unless under much higher pressures?)

Thanks for any help!
 
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That could be an example of shear thinning. A liquid with solid elements in it is a great way to get that effect.
 
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It's also an example of why buildings collapse when they're based on dirt, and there's an earthquake. Dry dirt does the same thing - but in your situation dry dirt wouldn't have held its shape for long enough to get hit by a hammer.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thixotropy
 
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When I was a young man, I took a piece of equipment out to a land seismic crew using vibroseis trucks.
When the sweep frequency passes the modulus of elasticity of the weathering layer
of the soil, the ground looked like it went liquid.
A ripple formed and shook trees down a fence row as far as I could see.
I later wrote a patent application for using similar constructive interference waves
for clearing land mines. My company published rather than patented the idea.
My point is that at the right frequency the ground does in fact go into a somewhat
liquid state.
 
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johnbbahm said:
When I was a young man, I took a piece of equipment out to a land seismic crew using vibroseis trucks.
When the sweep frequency passes the modulus of elasticity of the weathering layer
of the soil, the ground looked like it went liquid.
A ripple formed and shook trees down a fence row as far as I could see.
I later wrote a patent application for using similar constructive interference waves
for clearing land mines. My company published rather than patented the idea.
My point is that at the right frequency the ground does in fact go into a somewhat
liquid state.

I have googled "soil liquefaction" and the required conditions look similar to my situation. Simple physics but I'm still trying to wrap my head around it.

Thanks to all for the replies!
 
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You can make a great demo of this with corn starch... very effective physical example.
 

What causes damp dirt to act like a liquid under great, sudden pressure?

Damp dirt under great, sudden pressure acts like a liquid due to the forces of gravity and friction. The weight of the dirt above, combined with the sudden force applied, causes the particles to shift and slide against each other, creating a liquid-like behavior.

Can damp dirt under pressure flow like a liquid?

Yes, damp dirt under pressure can flow like a liquid. The particles are able to move and rearrange themselves, similar to the behavior of a liquid, allowing the dirt to flow and take on the shape of its container.

What is the difference between damp dirt and wet dirt?

Damp dirt is soil that has a high moisture content but is not fully saturated with water. Wet dirt, on the other hand, is soil that is fully saturated and has the consistency of mud. Damp dirt can act like a liquid under pressure, but wet dirt will have a more obvious liquid-like behavior.

How does dampness affect the behavior of dirt under pressure?

Dampness can significantly affect the behavior of dirt under pressure. If the dirt is too dry, it will not have enough moisture to act like a liquid. On the other hand, if the dirt is too wet, it will behave more like a liquid and may not hold its shape under pressure. The right amount of dampness is necessary for the dirt to exhibit liquid-like behavior under pressure.

Are there any real-world applications for damp dirt acting like a liquid under pressure?

Yes, there are several real-world applications for this phenomenon, such as in construction and geotechnical engineering. Understanding how damp dirt behaves under pressure can help engineers determine the stability and strength of soil structures, such as foundations, retaining walls, and embankments.

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