Understanding Orbital Motion with Polar Coordinates

In summary, the conversation discusses the use of polar coordinates to describe orbital motion in a rotating reference frame. The equations of motion involve a centrifugal force, but there is confusion about why it is negative and how it relates to the gravitational force. It is suggested that the equation can be interpreted as the result of two forces, the centrifugal force and the gravitational force, acting on the object.
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I'm a bit unclear about the description of orbital motion in a plane by using the polar coordinates [itex](r,\theta)[/itex]. This coordinate system changes its orientation in the inertial reference frame, that it is rotating as the orbiting object moves along its path. In the derivation of the equations of motion the radial part comes to
[tex]F(r)=m(\ddot r\ -\ r\dot \theta^2)[/tex]
My problem is that in a rotating reference system it is normally necessary to introduce a centrifugal force [itex]F_C[/itex], which sorts of explains the second term in the equation above since the centrifugal force is given as
[tex]F_C=mr\dot \theta^2[/tex]
Why is the term then negative in the top equation?
 
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Doesn't the centrifugal force act in the opposite direction to the centripital force?
 
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Centrifugal force is in an opposite direction to the centripental force [itex]\vec{F_C}=-\vec{F_r}[/itex]
 
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That is exactly my problem since for orbital motion the gravitational attractive force is in the negative [itex]\vec r[/itex] direction amounting to
[tex]F(r)=-G\frac{Mm}{r^2}[/tex]
which is a bit confusing, unless the term in the equation of motion should not be interpreted as arising from the centrifugal force.
 
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The negative force is to keep the body in equilibrium in the rotating frame. The centrifugal force exerted away from the centre by the body is taken as positive direction. Unless an internal attraction the body cannot continue uniform orbital motion.
 
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Here is how I think the equation might be interpreted
[tex]-F_G=m\ddot r\ -\ F_C[/tex]
thus
[tex]m\ddot r\ =\ F_C\ -\ F_G[/tex]
the term [itex]m\ddot r[/itex] is the acceleration an observer in the rotating frame of reference observes. He explains it as a result of two forces the centrifugal [itex]F_C[/itex] and the attractive gravitational [itex]F_G[/itex]?
 

1. What are polar coordinates and how are they used to understand orbital motion?

Polar coordinates are a way of representing points in a two-dimensional plane using a distance from the origin and an angle. In the context of orbital motion, polar coordinates are used to describe the position and movement of objects in space, such as planets or satellites. The distance from the origin represents the distance of the object from the center of its orbit, and the angle represents the direction of its motion.

2. How does understanding orbital motion with polar coordinates differ from using Cartesian coordinates?

Cartesian coordinates use x and y axes to represent points in a two-dimensional plane, while polar coordinates use a distance and angle. In terms of orbital motion, polar coordinates provide a more intuitive representation of an object's position and movement in its orbit, as it follows a circular or elliptical path around the origin.

3. What are the advantages of using polar coordinates to understand orbital motion?

One advantage of using polar coordinates is that they simplify the calculations needed to describe and predict orbital motion. By using a single distance and angle, complex equations such as the law of gravitation can be reduced to simpler formulas. Additionally, polar coordinates allow for a more visual representation of orbital motion, making it easier to understand and interpret.

4. How do scientists use polar coordinates to study and analyze orbital motion?

Scientists use polar coordinates to plot the orbits of objects in space, such as planets, moons, and satellites. By tracking the distance and angle of these objects over time, they can gather data on their movements and use it to make predictions about future positions. This information is crucial in understanding the behavior of celestial bodies and developing models of the solar system.

5. Are there any limitations to using polar coordinates to understand orbital motion?

While polar coordinates are a useful tool for understanding orbital motion, they have some limitations. For example, they are not well-suited for describing the motion of objects that do not follow circular or elliptical paths, such as comets or asteroids. Additionally, polar coordinates do not account for changes in velocity, which can be important in certain situations, such as when a spacecraft is maneuvering around a planet.

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