A Thought Experiment with Time Dilation

In summary, the conversation discusses a thought experiment involving a rocket ship approaching a surface in space with no atmosphere. The rocket's velocity is measured to be a constant 0.8c relative to the surface, resulting in time dilation according to special relativity. The discussion then delves into the effects of this time dilation on a light beam projected perpendicular to the surface, and how it is observed by a person on the surface and on the rocket. The conversation concludes with a question about the possibility of time dilation being different in the direction of travel compared to the transverse direction.
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A thought experiment:

Reference frame: A surface in space with no atmosphere.
A rocket ship is approaching just above the level of the surface. Its measured velocity is a constant 0.8c (0.8 times the speed of light) relative to the surface. Special relativity predicts that time in the spaceship runs at 0.6 times that on the space surface.

The spaceship has a very small window which will face the space surface when it arrives, as well as two light detectors, one at the window and a long one 1 m away and parallel to the window. A laser beam projects a beam perpendicular to the space surface and in the path of the coming spaceship window. A very short flash of light falls on the window detector and then on the detector 1m away as the spaceship passes.

The detectors in the spaceship show the beam to take a skewed path because of the ships 0.8c motion relative to the light beam. The length of that path is observed to be (0.8^2+1^2)^1/2 = 1.28 m. Since the time dilation is 0.6 relative to the surface, the time difference at the two detectors measured by a clock in the spaceship should be: 0.6x1.28/c where c is in m/sec. This yields 2.56x10^-9 seconds. Dividing by the distance 1.28 m gives a time it took the beam to travel a meter of 2.00x10^-9, yielding a measured c of 5.0x10^8 m/sec if the time dilation were correct. Of course this is nonsense. (Note that 5.0x10^8/0.6 = 3.0x10^8 suggesting maybe there is no time dilation in the transverse direction.)

A person on the space surface, knowing that the window and screen are 1 m apart and recognizing that the very short beam will travel in a straight line calculates that the light beam takes 1/c seconds to traverse the distance between the window and screen from his reference position which is 3.33x10^-9 sec. A person in the spaceship sees the light beam traveling 1.28 m in his reference frame. Since he must, according to relativity, measure c at 3.0x10^8 m/sec he should experience a time delay between the two light signals of 1.281/3.0x10^8 or 4.27x10^9 sec. Thus the time dilation factor would be 0.781 in the transverse direction and not 0.6 as special relativity would predict for the direction of travel.

How can time be dilated differently in one direction (the direction of travel) from the transverse direction? A clock cannot distinguish directions. Perhaps someone can straighten me out, or time dilation in special relativity crumbles.
 
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The length of that path is observed to be (0.8^2+1^2)^1/2 = 1.28 m.
No, it's (1.33^2+1^2)^1/2 = 1.67 m. The distance is 0.8 m in the surface frame, from which the rocket appears length contracted.
 
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No, it's (1.33^2+1^2)^1/2 = 1.67 m. The distance is 0.8 m in the surface frame, from which the rocket appears length contracted.
You are right, of course. I didn't consider the fact that in the rockets reference frame distance in the direction of the surface has to expand by a factor of 1.33 if time slows by a factor of 0.6 so that both observers see the other's reference frame receeding at 0.8 c. Thanks for straightening me out.
 

1. What is a thought experiment with time dilation?

A thought experiment with time dilation is a theoretical exercise in which one considers how time would behave in a specific scenario, often involving high speeds or intense gravitational forces. It is used to explore the concept of time and the effects of relativity.

2. How does time dilation occur?

Time dilation occurs when an object or observer is moving at high speeds or in a strong gravitational field. In these situations, time appears to slow down for the moving object compared to an observer at rest. This is due to the principles of relativity and the stretching of spacetime.

3. What is the significance of time dilation?

The significance of time dilation is that it challenges our understanding of time and reality. It also has practical applications in fields such as space travel and GPS systems, where precise measurements of time are crucial.

4. Can time dilation be observed in everyday life?

Yes, time dilation can be observed in everyday life, although the effects are very small. For example, a person on an airplane travelling at high speeds experiences slightly slower time compared to someone on the ground. However, the difference is so small that it is imperceptible to humans without precise instruments.

5. How does time dilation relate to Einstein's theory of relativity?

Time dilation is one of the key concepts in Einstein's theory of relativity. It explains how time can appear to behave differently for observers in different frames of reference. This theory has been extensively tested and has been shown to accurately describe the behavior of time and space in our universe.

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