Calculating Mass of Octane Needed to Heat Aluminum Block

In summary, to heat an aluminum engine block from 15 degrees Celsius to 85 degrees Celsius with only 20% of the heat produced, 6930 kJ of octane is required.
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ghostanime2001
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Homework Statement



An aluminum engine block has a mass of 110 kg. If only 20% of the heat produced in the engine is available to heat the block, what mass of octane is required to raise the temperature of this block from 15 celcius to 85 degrees celcius? c(Al) = 0.9 kJ/(kg . degrees celcius)

Homework Equations



[tex]\Delta[/tex]H=mc[tex]\Delta[/tex]T

The Attempt at a Solution


[tex]\Delta[/tex]H=(110kg)(0.9)(85-15)=(110kg)(0.9)(70)=6930 kJ x 0.2 % = 1386 kJ

Im clueless as to find the mass of octane after this step :(
 
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  • #2
You will need specific enthalpy for the reaction of octane burning to solve the question.
 
  • #3
The heat of reaction for the combustion of octane is -5517 kJ
 
  • #4
ghostanime2001 said:
The heat of reaction for the combustion of octane is -5517 kJ

Nope. It's -5517 kJ/mol ... that "per mole" part is important. Presumably if you knew how much heat was produced, you could figure how how many moles of octane -- and if you knew that, from the molecular weight, how many grams of octane.
 
  • #5
okay but none of them give me my answer: THe answer to this question is 0.72 kg

But anyways here's what I've tried to do

because only 20% of the heat produced is used to heat the block:

5517 kJ/mol x (1/1386 kJ) THe kJ part cancels out which gives me: 3.9805 mol and multiply that with 114 g/mol which gives me 453.77 g which is definently not the answer !
 
  • #6
ghostanime2001 said:
6930 kJ x 0.2 % = 1386 kJ

Apart from the fact that it is either 0.2 or 20%, but not 0.2%, are you sure have calculated here total amount of heat that have to be produced from the octane burning?
 
  • #7
The entire Question goes like this:
Aviation gasoline is almost pure octane [tex]C_{8}H_{18}[/tex]. Octane burns according to the equation:

[tex]\underbrace{C_{8}H_{18(l)}}_{a} + \underbrace{O_{2(g)}}_{b} \rightarrow \underbrace{CO_{2(g)}}_{c} + \underbrace{H_{2}O_{(l)}}_{d}[/tex]


[tex]\Delta[/tex][tex]H^{\circ}_{f}[/tex] = -209 kJ for [tex]C_{8}H_{18}[/tex],

[tex]\Delta[/tex][tex]H^{\circ}_{f}[/tex] = -286 kJ for [tex]H_{2}O[/tex],

[tex]\Delta[/tex][tex]H^{\circ}_{f}[/tex] = -394 kJ for [tex]CO_{2}[/tex],

i) Balance the equation
[tex]C_{8}H_{18}[/tex] + [tex]\frac{25}{2}O_{2}[/tex] [tex]\rightarrow[/tex] [tex]8CO_{2}[/tex] +[tex]9H_{2}O[/tex]

ii)What is the heat of formation of reactant (b)
0 kJ because its an element

iii) Calculate the heat produced when 1.00 L of [tex]C_{8}H_{18}[/tex] is burned. The density of [tex]C_{8}H_{18}[/tex] is 703 g/L.

(-1) x 1. [tex]8C_{(s)} + + 9H_{2(g)} \rightarrow C_{8}H_{18(l)}[/tex] [tex]\Delta[/tex][tex]H^{\circ}_{f} = -209 kJ[/tex]

(9) x 2. [tex]H_{2(g)} + \frac{1}{2}O_{2} \rightarrow H_{2}O_{(l)}[/tex] [tex]\Delta[/tex][tex]H^{\circ}_{f} = -286 kJ[/tex]

(8) x 3. [tex]C_{(l)} + O_{2(g)} \rightarrow CO_{2(g)}[/tex] [tex]\Delta[/tex][tex]H^{\circ}_{f} = -394 kJ[/tex]


1. [tex]C_{8}H_{18(l)} \rightarrow 8C_{(s)} + 9H_{2(g)}[/tex] [tex]\Delta[/tex][tex]H^{\circ}_{f} = 209 kJ[/tex]

2. [tex]9H_{2(g)}) + \frac{9}{2}O_{2} \rightarrow 9H_{2}O_{(l)}[/tex] [tex]\Delta[/tex][tex]H^{\circ}_{f} = -2574 kJ[/tex]

3. [tex]8C_{(l)} + 8O_{2(g)} \rightarrow 8CO_{2(g)}[/tex] [tex]\Delta[/tex][tex]H^{\circ}_{f} = -3152 kJ[/tex]
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[tex]C_{8}H_{18(l)} + \frac{25}{2}O_{2} \rightarrow 8CO_{2(g)} + 9H_{2}O_{(l)}[/tex] [tex]\Delta[/tex][tex]H^{\circ}_{c} = -5517 kJ[/tex]

iv)Calculate the heat produced when 1.00 L of [tex]C_{8}H_{18(l)}[/tex] is burned. The density of [tex]C_{8}H_{18(l)}[/tex] is 703 g/L.
[tex]D = \frac{m}{V}[/tex]

[tex]703g/L = \frac{m}{1 L}[/tex]

[tex]m = 703 g[/tex]

[tex]\frac{703g}{114g/mol} = 6.17 mol[/tex]

[tex]\frac{5.52 x 10^{3} kJ}{mol}[/tex] x 6.17 mol = 3.4x[tex]10^{4}[/tex] kJ

v)An aluminum engine block has a mass of 110 kg. If only 20% of the heat produced in the engine is available to heat the block, what mass of octane is required to raise the temperature of this block from 15[tex]\circ[/tex]C to 85[tex]\circ[/tex]C degrees celcius? [tex]c_{Al}[/tex] = 0.9 kJ/(kg [tex]\circ[/tex]C)

m=110 kg
c=0.9
[tex]\Delta[/tex]T=70 (85-15)
[tex]\Delta[/tex]H=(110)(70)(0.9)=6930 kJ (Total heat released in the aluminum block engine)
 
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I don't understand what to do after part v)
 
  • #9
Can somebody please help me out on this ? I've done all i can
 
  • #10
An aluminum engine block has a mass of 110 kg. If only 20% of the heat produced in the engine is available to heat the block, what mass of octane(C8H18) is required to raise the temperature of the block from 15 degrees celcius to 85 degrees celcius? Specific heat capacity of aluminum = 0.9 kJ/(kg C)

The enthalpy of combustion of octane is -5517 kJ (the answer is 0.72 kg) But i don't understand how X_X
 
  • #11
Does anyone even care about answering my question ?
 
  • #12
Everyone here donates their time. You will have to be patient.
 
  • #13
Do it in pieces. How much energy will you need to raise the block by 1 degree C? Then multiply that by delta T, then account for the 20% efficiency.

You have the skills you need to answer this. Trust what you know and relax.
 
  • #14
chemisttree said:
Do it in pieces. How much energy will you need to raise the block by 1 degree C? Then multiply that by delta T

That was already done :smile:

then account for the 20% efficiency.

And that's where the problems started...

ghostanime2001: as I already hinted at, amount of energy needed to heat the block if 20% is used for heating is NOT 6930 kJ x 0.2.
 
  • #15
Then what do i do... ill say it again I've done ALL i can... i have no more ideas.
 
  • #16
Borek, humor me.:smile:


Ghost, so tell me, how much energy do you need to raise the engine block by one degree C?
 
  • #17
deltaH=(110)(70)(1) = 99 kJ
 
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  • #18
[tex]\Delta[/tex]H=mc[tex]\Delta[/tex]T

[tex]\Delta[/tex]T = 1 (if you want the energy per degree C)... you need 'c'
 
  • #19
so i am right. u said the energy per degree I've given you the energy per degree man.. what else do u want yo WHy in the world would i need C man ? i don't need the heat capacity of octane dawg
 
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Uhhhh, I guess. I just thought that you were trying to do too much at once and when you made a mistake it looked too complicated for you to figger out... dawg.

You should have written:

[tex]\Delta[/tex]H=(110 kg)(0.9 kJ/kg degrees C)(1 C)= 99 kJ (heat required to raise block by 1 C)
 
  • #21
okay fine... now what
 
  • #22
is this a calorimetry kinda question ? the aluminum engine block is the calorimeter and the octane in the substance acting like water ?
 
  • #23
No, it isn't calorimetry.

Now you need to find the energy required to raise it 70 C. I think you know this already, so I'll tell you what comes after that. When you have that answer, you need to think of how much energy must be put into the engine at 20% efficiency to equal the energy required to raise the temperature by 70C. Like Borek said, that's where you made a minor error before...

Remember, you will need to add more energy than you need to raise the block by 70C if only 20% of it goes into heating the block.

You are going to kick yourself when you see how easy it is.
 
  • #24
just tell me how to do it I am sick and ****ing tired of this question already
 
  • #25
Ghost, you are obviously skilled, so you can do this. I'm trying to show you how to break down a problem into pieces when you are at your wits end, so bear with me.

You only made a minor mistake. You have to find it now.
 
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  • #26
find whaatttt
 
  • #27
Im not lying i really do not understand how to do this question.
 
  • #28
i really don't what more do u want me to say.
 
  • #29
reword this question. Maybe its the language i don't understand.
 
  • #30
im trying man I am ****ing trying !
 
  • #31
Yes, you do. You made a super small error... you know your stuff but now you are pulling your hair out because of some trivial thing.

Your answer was 6930 kJ is required to raise the block by 70C. It isn't the heat released in the aluminum block engine. Its the energy absorbed by the block to raise the temperature by 70C. How much energy had to have been produced by the octane so that only 20% of it is equal to 6930 kJ?

Once you have that energy, you need to somehow convert it into mass of octane. Is there something you know about octane that tells you how much energy is produced per unit mass (or amount) that is burned?
 
  • #32
chemisttree said:
Yes, you do. You made a super small error... you know your (snip)

Amajor conceptual error --- reread the problem statement --- carefully. Ask yourself if there's a glass in your mother's kitchen into which you can pour an entire gallon of milk.
 
  • #33
if what you say is true then i know 20% of energy is absorbed by the engine. THat 20% of energy released by octane is 6930. 100% of energy released by octane by burning would be 6930/0.2 = 34650 is this the total energy released by octane ? i assume so, and 20 percent of that is absorbed by octane which is 6930. Now how many moles is 34650 kJ ? uhhh i know 1 mole of combusion of octane is 5517 kJ/mol so 34650/5517 = 6.281 mol x 114g/mol molar mass of octane = 715.986 g

BUT THATS STILL WRONG... WHAT THE HECK... WHY DO SOME PROBLEMS ALWAYS SCREW ME UP AARRGGGGGGG
 
  • #34
Even if it is wrong (numerically) you did this part correctly now.

Edit: it is not wrong, 715.986 rounds down to 720. Check signifficant digits throughout the problem.
 
  • #35
................ I still don't know why i divided 6930 by 0.2
 

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