A relatively easy differential geometry question concerning principle curvatures

In summary: I'll try to help as much as I can.In summary, the conversation discusses finding the principal curvatures on the surface x sin z - y cos z = 0 and the steps involved in solving for them. The conversation also mentions using a parametrization of the surface and the formulae k_{1,2} = H \pm \sqrt{H^2 - K} to calculate the principal values. The OP expresses gratitude for the help and offers a reward, to which the other person declines stating they are a European citizen.
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Show the principal curvatures on x sin z - y cos z = 0 are +-1/(1 + x^2 + y^2)
 
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no attempt?
 
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Got a reply from the OP:

Actually I have devoted hours and hours to this problem. It is in Chapter 9 of the old Schaum's book. I have tried to put this in a form u*e1 + v*e2 + f(u,v)*e3 with little success. I have used other hints from this chapter such as determinant [dx, fx, Dfx] = 0 and I can get some simplifications but then I get lost in overly extensive equations. I have tried graphing this function as z = arctan(y/x) but without Mathematica or Maple the graph gets hazy in my mind. I know it would have several sheets but try to stick with the "main sheet". So I feel I am missing something crucial, but at the same time feel it should have been easy and that it is a really cool problem.

Decided to post that here along with my help for future reference, in case other people google his question and arrive at this page.

We can rewrite (as noted by the OP) the equation to x tan(z) = y.
Using this, we can parametrize the surface as follows:
[tex]x(u,v) = (u, u \tan v, v)[/tex]
Note: x is now not the first coordinate, but rather the position vector

The only economical way I know of calculating the principal values, is using the formulae [itex]k_{1,2} = H \pm \sqrt{H^2 - K}[/itex].

So we need to calculate H and K. This can be easily done using the parametrization of the surface and the following:
[tex]H \propto En - 2Fm + Gl \qquad \qquad K = \frac{ln-m^2}{EG-F^2}[/tex]
where [itex]E:= x_u \cdot x_u \qquad F:= x_u \cdot x_v \qquad G = x_v \cdot x_v[/itex]
and [itex]l := x_{uu} \cdot \xi \qquad m := x_{uv} \cdot \xi \qquad n := x_{vv} \cdot \xi[/itex]
where xi is the normal [itex]\xi = x_u \times x_v[/itex].

I've only given H up to something proportional to it, because you'll only have to prove that H = 0, which you can expect by comparing the formulae for k_1 and k_2 given above with what you know will be the results.
 
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Mr Vodka:

What you are showing me is what I finally figured out last night. You have basically set this out as a Monge Patch (using the nomenclature of the text) which then allows calculation of the fundamental forms prior to solving for k1 and k2. This requires some plowing through, which I am in the middle - end of doing, albeit with much greater confidence as a result of now reading your note. I consider my finally figuring this out a result of thinking about my reply to you. I am very grateful. While I am not Erdos and thus can not offer a financial reward, a caramel apple appears in order. Are you near Albuquerque NM?

Again, grateful thanks for allowing my life to continue (though I will still need that final push).

Regards,

Jeff
 
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No caramel apple for me, I'm a European citizen ;) But you're welcome!

If you get stuck with the calculations, let me know.
 

1. What is differential geometry?

Differential geometry is a branch of mathematics that studies the properties of curves and surfaces in space. It uses tools from calculus, linear algebra, and topology to understand the geometric properties of these objects.

2. What are principle curvatures?

Principle curvatures are the maximum and minimum curvatures of a surface at a given point. They represent the amount of bending or curvature in different directions on the surface.

3. How are principle curvatures related to Gaussian curvature?

Gaussian curvature is the product of the two principle curvatures at a given point. It is a measure of how much a surface curves in all directions, and it is an important concept in differential geometry.

4. Can you give an example of a surface with constant principle curvatures?

One example of a surface with constant principle curvatures is a sphere. At every point on a sphere, the principle curvatures are equal, resulting in a constant Gaussian curvature.

5. How is differential geometry used in real-world applications?

Differential geometry has many practical applications, such as in computer graphics, robotics, and physics. It is used to model and analyze complex shapes and surfaces, and to understand the behavior of objects in motion.

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