Is computer simulation the simplest explanation of our universe?

In summary, the conversation discusses the "simulation argument" which suggests that the simplest explanation for the universe is that everything is being simulated for the benefit of conscious beings. This idea is compared to the concept of the Mandelbrot set and the role of consciousness in the universe. The conversation also brings up questions about the purpose of existence and the influence of religion on our natural drive to understand the universe. However, the topic lacks sufficient information and is not in line with the forum guidelines, leading to the closure of the conversation.
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I've just started thinking about this and haven't read much about the "simulation argument" yet, but is there anything unreasonable about using computational/information theoretic/Occam's razor arguments to argue that the simplest explanation for the universe is that everything is being simulated in real time for the benefit of conscious beings (in particular, us)? When we look at new areas of the universe, are we in effect looking deeper into a "Mandelbrot set" that is using simple algorithms to generate the territory as needed? In this model consciousness is a fundamental part of the machinery of the universe -- maybe we are its algorithms becoming self-aware?

This idea seems totally reasonable to me, perhaps more than believing that there is an objective universe so incredibly large, doing so much computation "for no reason". I understand that Steven Wolfram has a similar idea, and I just wonder if this could be a new paradigm that explains a lot of deep mysteries better than our current models (the Fermi Paradox, for example).
 
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Like most of these arguments it's not really possible to disprove them, if you are part of the Matrix then you will be part of a system whose algorithms will make everything consistent with the program, and will dismiss irregularities as momentary mental lapses, or sanity issues.

It would take someone outside of the Matrix to offer you a red pill or blue pill to prove the Matrix existed. Likewise it would take a perspective outside of our reality to know that it didn't.

Does there have to be a reason for anything, or is that just your bias encroaching in on things? Couldn't things quite easily just be? The same questions about existence lead to religion, which we seem naturally programmed to some extent to follow, at least in terms of having a penchant to explore questions of purpose and existence. Now a days we call it something else without the gods, but it is really still the same basic drive to understand why.

Hey!?

I just saw a black cat walk past...

And then it did it again?

Crap!
 
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it sounds rather anthropocentric to me...
 
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I don't think Occam's Razor will do you any favors here. It is simpler to suppose that I am just having an experience, rather than something is creating an experience for me.

Other than that, the opening post isn't a good fit with the guidelines:

https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=47294

https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=459350

so I will leave it locked.

The topic needs to be more fleshed out, with more information on the particular "simulation argument" you have in mind. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simulation_hypothesis"
It would also have been helpful if you could have pointed us to the Stephen Wolfram idea that you mentioned.
 
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1. What is computer simulation?

Computer simulation is the process of using a computer program or model to replicate the behavior and characteristics of a real-world system or phenomenon.

2. How is computer simulation used to explain the universe?

Scientists use computer simulation to create models of the universe and its processes, such as the formation of galaxies, the evolution of stars, and the movement of celestial bodies. These simulations allow scientists to test different theories and hypotheses about the universe and its origins.

3. Is computer simulation the only explanation for the universe?

No, computer simulation is not the only explanation for the universe. It is one of many tools used by scientists to study and understand the universe. Other explanations include theories such as the Big Bang Theory and the Theory of Relativity.

4. What are the advantages of using computer simulation to explain the universe?

Computer simulation allows scientists to create controlled and repeatable experiments in a virtual environment. It also allows them to study processes that would be difficult or impossible to observe in the real universe. Additionally, simulations can be run quickly and at a relatively low cost compared to physical experiments.

5. Are there any limitations to using computer simulation to explain the universe?

Yes, there are limitations to using computer simulation to explain the universe. Simulations are only as accurate as the data and assumptions used to create them. Additionally, they may not be able to capture all the complexities and nuances of the real universe. Therefore, simulations should be used in conjunction with other methods of scientific inquiry to gain a more complete understanding of the universe.

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