Transient Heat Transfer in Radial Direction

In summary, the individual is seeking expert advice on creating a heat transfer model using FDM in the radial direction for a complex geometry with multiple materials. They have encountered difficulties in discretizing the domain and creating the geometry in COMSOL. They are also trying to determine the temperature profile at different radial points and compare with experimental results, and are struggling with setting the appropriate boundary conditions and estimating the heat transfer coefficient. They have also encountered issues with uniform temperature profiles and are seeking clarification on the purpose of using fins in their model.
  • #1
ruzfactor
82
0
My geometry is bit complex. I want to make a heat transfer model based on FDM in the radial direction. But it has become very difficult to discretize the domain because of multiple materials. As the segments are symmetric, I want to model the heat transfer in one segment. My schematic is given in the attachment. I missed a steel shell around the copper shell in the schematic. I am seeking some expert advice on approaching this problem.

Thanks.
 

Attachments

  • heat.JPG
    heat.JPG
    22.2 KB · Views: 492
Engineering news on Phys.org
  • #2
ruzfactor said:
My geometry is bit complex. I want to make a heat transfer model based on FDM in the radial direction. But it has become very difficult to discretize the domain because of multiple materials. As the segments are symmetric, I want to model the heat transfer in one segment. My schematic is given in the attachment. I missed a steel shell around the copper shell in the schematic. I am seeking some expert advice on approaching this problem.

Thanks.

Why use the FDM and not finite element method? That would be a trivial FEM problem.
 
  • #3
I am not that familiar with FEM that's why i chose FDM. Also, I am trying to simulate it using heat transfer model in COMSOL. Will it be really easy to use FEM? Will it take lot of time?
 
  • #4
ruzfactor said:
I am not that familiar with FEM that's why i chose FDM. Also, I am trying to simulate it using heat transfer model in COMSOL. Will it be really easy to use FEM? Will it take lot of time?

Making the geometry would be harder than everything else. I guess you'll already have the geometry and materials and boundary conditions. Seems like you just need to press a couple of buttons to automesh and solve it. But I never used COMSOL much so can't quite remember the details.
 
  • #5
Unrest said:
Making the geometry would be harder than everything else. I guess you'll already have the geometry and materials and boundary conditions. Seems like you just need to press a couple of buttons to automesh and solve it. But I never used COMSOL much so can't quite remember the details.

I wanted to use FDM to check the temperature profile at different radial points and compare with my experimental results. You are right, its the geometry that is the hardest part in comsol. I am still struggling to create the geometry. :(
 
  • #6
conjugate Heat Transfer in cylindrical geometry

I am beginner to comsol 4.2, Can someone provide me some easy examples to inplemente
navier stokes and energy equation in comsol. I would be very grateful for any kind of help
 
  • #7


liilou said:
I am beginner to comsol 4.2, Can someone provide me some easy examples to inplemente
navier stokes and energy equation in comsol. I would be very grateful for any kind of help

I think you should start a new thread for a new kind of problem. Did you solve this steady state thermal one?
 
  • #8
@Unrest:

Please look at my geometry and suggest how can I determine the temperature profile at these nodes. I am still struggling to build up a mode with FDM because of multiple material properties. :(

Also in comsol having some difficulties with the boundary condition.
:confused:
 

Attachments

  • FDM.JPG
    FDM.JPG
    11.7 KB · Views: 441
  • #9
Sorry I don't have a clue about FDM. I still think you should be using FEM. Comsol can automesh it and you can specify materials and boundary conditions pretty easily. Don't remember how, just that it's easy enough.
 
  • #10
Unrest said:
Sorry I don't have a clue about FDM. I still think you should be using FEM. Comsol can automesh it and you can specify materials and boundary conditions pretty easily. Don't remember how, just that it's easy enough.

I have created the geometry and also computed results using comsol but, as the outer shell is extracting heat from air surrounding it, I have specified heat flux as the boundary in the outer shell. This is the only boundary condition I have set. For that I need heat transfer coefficient for the convective heat transfer taking place between steel shell and hot air. How to approximate the heat transfer coefficient for my case? I looked at several sources but could not find anything to calculate heat. trans. coeff.
 
  • #11
Cool

I don't know much about estimating heat transfer coefficients, but there are probably handbooks full of empirical data. It depends on things you haven't mentioned, like the geometry outside, orientation wrt gravity, etc.
 
  • #12
Why am I getting an uniform temperature profile at different radial positions (please above pic) i.e. the temperature difference between one node to another is very small, when using fin? But without fin (only steel shell) the temperature difference is much higher between nodes, especially the node near the wall has a greater temperature.

Please explain someone.
 
  • #13
ruzfactor said:
Why am I getting an uniform temperature profile at different radial positions (please above pic) i.e. the temperature difference between one node to another is very small, when using fin? But without fin (only steel shell) the temperature difference is much higher between nodes, especially the node near the wall has a greater temperature.

Please explain someone.

Is this a transient or steady state analysis? In steady state you should of course expect a uniform temperature everywhere.

Can you post the color plots of the results showing the mesh?

Do you have mesh convergence, time step convergence, etc.?
 
  • #14
Unrest said:
Is this a transient or steady state analysis? In steady state you should of course expect a uniform temperature everywhere.

Can you post the color plots of the results showing the mesh?

Do you have mesh convergence, time step convergence, etc.?

It was for my experimental results. My simulation result is also similar to that. But incase of my simulation, i have used constant heat flux and also used a guessed value of h. So results differ from experiment but trends have some similarities.

Why the experimental result is so uniform in trend?
 

Attachments

  • simul.jpg
    simul.jpg
    27.1 KB · Views: 429
  • #15
It looks like the experimental result matches the simulation except for different heat flux/etc. I can't quite read the scales on the color plots, but if the heat flux is low enough then you should expect it to be nearly uniform.

Isn't the purpose of the fins to make the temperature more uniform? Which is what you're seeing.
 
  • #16
Yes the purpose of the fins is to make uniform temperature profile. How can I explain this phenomenon with my geometry? Could you please help? Is is beacuse of a shorter heat path for heat conduction from the walls?
 

1. What is transient heat transfer in radial direction?

Transient heat transfer in radial direction refers to the transfer of heat through a medium in a radial direction, where the heat flow is not constant over time. This can occur in various systems, such as cylindrical objects or spherical bodies, where the temperature at the center differs from the temperature at the surface.

2. What factors affect transient heat transfer in radial direction?

The factors that affect transient heat transfer in radial direction include the thermal properties of the medium (such as thermal conductivity and specific heat), the temperature difference between the center and surface of the object, and the duration of the heat transfer process.

3. How is transient heat transfer in radial direction calculated?

The calculation of transient heat transfer in radial direction involves solving the heat conduction equation, which takes into account the thermal properties of the medium, the temperature difference, and the geometry of the system. This can be done analytically or numerically using computational methods.

4. What are some practical applications of transient heat transfer in radial direction?

Transient heat transfer in radial direction has various practical applications, such as in the cooling of electronic devices, heating and cooling processes in chemical reactors, and thermal management in engines and turbines. It is also important in the design and analysis of heat exchangers and thermal insulation systems.

5. How can transient heat transfer in radial direction be controlled?

Transient heat transfer in radial direction can be controlled by adjusting the thermal properties of the medium (e.g. using materials with higher or lower thermal conductivity), changing the temperature difference between the center and surface of the object, and modifying the geometry of the system to optimize heat flow. Additionally, insulation materials can be used to reduce heat transfer and control the rate of temperature change in the medium.

Similar threads

Calculating Transient Heat Transfer in Pipes with Thick Walls
    • Mechanical Engineering
Replies
15
Views
1K
Comsol: Infinite Element Domain module
    • Mechanical Engineering
Replies
8
Views
2K
ANSYS transient thermal boundary conditions
    • Mechanical Engineering
Replies
1
Views
1K
A Practical use of an overall heat transfer coefficient?
    • Thermodynamics
Replies
14
Views
1K
Some questions on heat transfer
    • Mechanical Engineering
Replies
5
Views
2K
How Long Should My Double Pipe Heat Exchanger Be for a 22kW Capacity?
    • Mechanical Engineering
Replies
2
Views
1K
Heat Transfer From Resistance Element to Metal Component
    • Mechanical Engineering
Replies
2
Views
1K
Calculating the force that a permanent magnet exerts on a particle
    • General Engineering
Replies
14
Views
2K
How Can I Accurately Model Heat Transfer in a Simplified Hydraulic Press Setup?
    • Mechanical Engineering
Replies
3
Views
1K
Heat transfer for an encapsulated circuit
    • Mechanical Engineering
Replies
1
Views
1K

Hot Threads

Recent Insights

Back
Top