Geodesics in a rotating coordinate system

In summary, the trajectories of freely moving objects in a uniformly rotating coordinate system are affected by apparent forces like centrifugal and Coriolis forces. However, there is a coordinate system and metric where these trajectories can be considered geodesics. This means that in this frame, there are no real forces acting on the objects and their paths are determined solely by the curvature of spacetime. This idea is further explored in the last paragraph of chapter 2 in the provided source.
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In a uniformly rotating coordinate system the trajectories of freely moving objects are influenced by an apparent centrifugal and Coriolis force. Is there a coordinate system or metric (or both) in which these trajectories are geodesics instead?
 
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snoopies622 said:
In a uniformly rotating coordinate system the trajectories of freely moving objects are influenced by an apparent centrifugal and Coriolis force. Is there a coordinate system or metric (or both) in which these trajectories are geodesics instead?
The property of being a geodesic doesn't depend on the coordinate system. The trajectories of freely moving objects are always geodesics, whatever coordinate system you use.

In non-rotating Cartesian coordinates [itex]x = vt[/itex] is a geodesic, which in rotating Cartesian coordinates might become [itex]X \cos \omega T + Y \sin \omega T = VT[/itex]. In these coordinates [itex]X = VT[/itex] would not be a geodesic.

I'm not sure if that answers your question.
 
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The trajectories of freely moving objects will be geodesics in any coordinate system. The condition for a path being a geodesic is that there are no "real" forces influencing the path. In an inertial frame, there are no real and no apparent forces on a geodesic trajectory. In a non-inertial frame, such as your rotating frame, there may be apparent forces on a geodesic trajectory, but there are still no "real" forces.
 
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Hmm.. Thank you both. Must think about this some more.
 
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snoopies622 said:
In a uniformly rotating coordinate system the trajectories of freely moving objects are influenced by an apparent centrifugal and Coriolis force. Is there a coordinate system or metric (or both) in which these trajectories are geodesics instead?
I think the metric you are looking for is given in the last paragraph of chapter 2 in this:
http://www.projects.science.uu.nl/igg/dieks/rotation.pdf
 
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1. What is a geodesic in a rotating coordinate system?

A geodesic is a curve on a surface that represents the shortest path between two points. In a rotating coordinate system, the surface itself is rotating, which affects the path of the geodesic.

2. How does a rotating coordinate system affect geodesics?

In a rotating coordinate system, the surface is constantly changing, which means that the geodesic will also be affected. This can result in a curved or spiraling path instead of a straight line.

3. Can geodesics in a rotating coordinate system represent real-life phenomena?

Yes, geodesics in a rotating coordinate system can represent real-life phenomena such as the trajectory of a projectile or the path of a planet orbiting around a rotating star. It is a useful concept in understanding the effects of rotation on objects in motion.

4. How are geodesics in a rotating coordinate system calculated?

Geodesics in a rotating coordinate system can be calculated using the geodesic equation, which takes into account the rotation of the coordinate system. This equation involves the use of mathematical concepts such as tensors and differential equations.

5. What is the significance of geodesics in a rotating coordinate system?

Geodesics in a rotating coordinate system have important applications in fields such as physics, astronomy, and engineering. They provide insights into the behavior of objects in a rotating environment and can help in predicting their paths and trajectories.

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