Who was responsible for the death of Ibn al Sheikh al Libi?

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In summary, Libyan paramilitary trainer Ibn al Sheikh al Libi, who ran an al Qaeda camp in Afghanistan, was captured by Pakistani officials in 2001 or 2002 and interrogated by U.S. and Egyptian forces. The information he gave was used by the Bush Administration as evidence of a connection between Saddam Hussein and al Qaeda, but was later revealed to be false. In 2006, al Libi was repatriated to Libyan custody and was found dead in his cell on May 10, 2009, reportedly from suicide by hanging. Some speculate that he may have been killed to prevent him from leaking information about the false intelligence.
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mohd_adam
Who killed this person !?

Libyan authorities announced on May 10, 2009, that Al Libi had committed suicide in his prison cell.

Ibn al Sheikh al Libi was a Libyan paramilitary trainer for al Qaeda. He ran al Qaeda’s Khaldan camp in Afghanistan and was captured by Pakistani officials at the end of 2001 or beginning of 2002 as he attempted to flee Afghanistan following the U.S. invasion.

After being captured and interrogated by U.S. and Egyptian forces, the information he gave was cited by the Bush Administration in the months preceding the 2003 invasion of Iraq as evidence of a connection between Saddam Hussein and al Qaeda.

http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/05/14/monitor/entry5013415.shtml
 
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Hi mohd_adam! :smile:

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibn_al-Shaykh_al-Libi#Repatriation_to_Libya_and_death it seems he was sent to Libya in 2006 …
Noman Benotman, a former Mujahideen who knew Libi, told Newsweek that during a recent trip to Tripoli, he met with a senior Libyan government official who confirmed to him that Libi had been quietly returned to Libya and was still in prison there, but suffering from tuberculosis.

Media reported on May 10, 2009, that Al Libi had been repatriated to Libyan custody in 2006, and that he had subsequently been found dead in Libyan custody, reportedly from suicide by hanging. …

and he was suffering from tuberculosis.

If he didn't commit suicide, then the Libyans must have killed him … why would they do that?

btw, from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibn_al-Shaykh_al-Libi#Interrogation …
The DIA concluded in February 2002 that Libi deliberately misled interrogators. Some speculate that his reason for giving disinformation was in order to draw the U.S. into an attack on Iraq, which al Qaeda believes will lead to a global jihad. Others suggest …
 
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tiny-tim said:
If he didn't commit suicide, then the Libyans must have killed him … why would they do that?
Because otherwise he might have leaked information that the whole Irag-Al Queda thing was a lie. That would embarrass (ex)President Bush and mean that Gadaffi wouldn't get invited to Texas for a barbecue.
 
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mgb_phys said:
Because otherwise he might have leaked information that the whole Irag-Al Queda thing was a lie. That would embarrass (ex)President Bush and mean that Gadaffi wouldn't get invited to Texas for a barbecue.

But the USA itself has already stated that Al Libi's information was a lie …

see the quotation in blue above.
 
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tiny-tim said:
But the USA itself has already stated that Al Libi's information was a lie …
That's what they want you to think...
 
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Hi tiny-tim,
If Libya announced that this person died , maybe i will believe. But Libya announced that he committed suicide!
As i know, the members of Al Qaeda impossible to commit suicide. This person was tortured in Egypt , and the information he gave under torture helped Bush to attack Iraq.


Because otherwise he might have leaked information that the whole Irag-Al Queda thing was a lie. That would embarrass (ex)President Bush and mean that Gadaffi wouldn't get invited to Texas for a barbecue.
 
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mohd_adam said:
As i know, the members of Al Qaeda impossible to commit suicide.

uhh? :confused: what about suicide bombings by Al Qaeda?
This person was tortured in Egypt , and the information he gave under torture helped Bush to attack Iraq.

Yes, the information he gave helped Bush to attack Iraq, and it was false information.

But he seems to have given it deliberately, not because of pressure, to get Bush to kill plenty of Iraqis.
 
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what about suicide bombings by Al Qaeda?

members of Al Qaeda when they explodethemselves , they consider that fighting not suicide.


But he seems to have given it deliberately, not because of pressure, to get Bush to kill plenty of Iraqis.

I will tell you the story of the film :

Mubarak ( dictator Egypt ) wanted to give power to his son Gamal , so the egyptians tortured Ibn al Sheikh al Libi very very strong.. Ibn al Sheikh al Libi told this information only to stop torture. Mubarak used this information to help Bush because he wanted Bush to help him to make his son as a president.
 
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mohd_adam said:
I will tell you the story of the film :

Mubarak ( dictator Egypt ) wanted to give power to his son Gamal , so the egyptians tortured Ibn al Sheikh al Libi very very strong.. Ibn al Sheikh al Libi told this information only to stop torture. Mubarak used this information to help Bush because he wanted Bush to help him to make his son as a president.

erm :redface: … from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mubarak …
Hosni Mubarak … (born 4 May 1928), is the 4th and current President of the Arab Republic of Egypt. He was appointed Vice President in 1975, and assumed the presidency on 14 October 1981, following the assassination of President Anwar el-Sadat.

Gamal Mubarak can't be president until Hosni Mubarak's term ends, which was always going to be long after Bush's term ended …

so how could Bush ever have helped make Gamal president? :rolleyes:
 
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mgb_phys said:
Because otherwise he might have leaked information that the whole Irag-Al Queda thing was a lie. That would embarrass (ex)President Bush and mean that Gadaffi wouldn't get invited to Texas for a barbecue.

:rofl:
 
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I just love Gaddafi's speeches. Especially the ones at Arab Summits. He has a certain...style, that no one else can match.
 
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tiny-tim said:
If he didn't commit suicide, then the Libyans must have killed him … why would they do that?

I can only imagine that he either refused to show any of his own work, or engaged in some overly speculative posts. :biggrin:
 
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mgb_phys said:
Because otherwise he might have leaked information that the whole Irag-Al Queda thing was a lie. That would embarrass (ex)President Bush and mean that Gadaffi wouldn't get invited to Texas for a barbecue.

This would constitute a conspiracy. I've been informed by some medium-sized sticks on PF that people do not conspire. Please refrain from believing otherwise. We are watching.
 
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How long had he been imprisoned in Libya? A few years?

Wikipedia:
"The head of the Washington office of Human Rights Watch stated al-Libi was "Exhibit A" in hearings on the relationship between pre-Iraq war false intelligence and torture. Confirmation of al-Libi's location came two weeks prior to his death. An independent investigation of his death has been requested by Human Rights Watch."

How long had he been imprisoned in Libya? He dies two weeks after the "Confirmation" of his location. Confirmed by who? By Human Rights Watch? Who else would "confirm" his location? The Wikipedia writers are unclear. This short time span to his death relative to his apparent duration of internment I find suspicious. Did I smell the faint odor of Dr. Kevorkian passing by?

Am I on the right tack or reading too much into too little? There's not much to go on...
 
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1. Who was Ibn al Sheikh al Libi?

Ibn al Sheikh al Libi, also known as Ali Abdul Aziz Ali, was a Libyan national who became a key figure in al-Qaeda's operations in Afghanistan.

2. How did Ibn al Sheikh al Libi die?

Ibn al Sheikh al Libi died in a Libyan prison in 2009. The official cause of death was reported as suicide by hanging, although there have been allegations that he was tortured and killed by his Libyan captors.

3. Why is there controversy surrounding Ibn al Sheikh al Libi's death?

There is controversy surrounding Ibn al Sheikh al Libi's death because he was a high-profile detainee who had been subjected to enhanced interrogation techniques, including waterboarding, at the hands of the CIA. His death raised questions about the use of torture and whether it resulted in false confessions.

4. Was anyone held accountable for Ibn al Sheikh al Libi's death?

No one has been held accountable for Ibn al Sheikh al Libi's death. The Libyan government claimed responsibility for his death and stated that it was a suicide, but there has been speculation that the CIA may have played a role in his death.

5. What impact did Ibn al Sheikh al Libi's death have on the war on terror?

Ibn al Sheikh al Libi's death raised concerns about the use of torture and its effectiveness in gathering reliable intelligence. It also highlighted the lack of accountability for human rights violations in the context of the war on terror. It remains a controversial and complex issue that continues to be debated by politicians, human rights organizations, and the scientific community.

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