Exploring the Role of Physics Laws in the Rotation of Astronomical Structures

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In summary: I should have said "The question in the title of the thread ("Why is there day and night?") and the body of the original post are a bit orthogonal to one another.". It seems to me that rotating fluids (like gases and dust clouds) would not support shear stresses and would break down into revolving substructures. If you could specify what kind of structure you think would result from rotating fluids, that would be helpful.
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I'm hoping that some kind astronomer or astrophysicist here can tell me which physics law, or laws, (if any) mandate that many astronomical structures revolve or rotate, from asteroids though planets, pulsars, stars to galaxies. I guess they all develop with conserved angular momentum to a lesser or greater degree, but is there a mechanism for its acquisition, as it were, that is accepted in terms of specific features of physics laws? Those involving gravitational condensation, maybe?

I'd prefer an answer other than "Why not?", or "Because it was so ordained" .
 
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Paulibus said:
I'm hoping that some kind astronomer or astrophysicist here can tell me which physics law, or laws, (if any) mandate that many astronomical structures revolve or rotate, from asteroids though planets, pulsars, stars to galaxies. I guess they all develop with conserved angular momentum to a lesser or greater degree, but is there a mechanism for its acquisition, as it were, that is accepted in terms of specific features of physics laws? Those involving gravitational condensation, maybe?

I'd prefer an answer other than "Why not?", or "Because it was so ordained" .

There is a thread in the cosmology subforum https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=613674 where this is lucidly addressed by DH.
The thing is unfortunately there is not a final general answer to your question about space objects angular momentum origin as of now.
 
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The question in the title of the thread ("Why is there day and night?") and the body of the original post are a bit orthogonal to one another. Note: I'm assuming that "why is there day and night" means "why does a point on the surface of a planet have day and night". In other words, "why don't planets have one fixed side always lit by its sun, the other side, never."

A planet which is not rotating would have day and night. A planet on which one side perpetually receives sunlight, the other side is perpetually dark, is rotating. Such a planet is rotating at a rate equal to its orbital rate. In other words, such planets would be tidally locked to their central star, just as the Moon is tidally locked to the Earth.

We have day and night here on Earth because we did have day and night 4.5 billion years ago and because the Earth has not had enough time to become tidally locked to the Sun. The Earth won't become tidally locked to the Sun until long after the Sun runs out of fuel and dies.

For red stars it's a different story. That planets are tidally locked is conjectured to be the norm for Earth-sized planets in the habitable zone of a red star. Tidal forces are an inverse cube force, and this means the time needed to become tidally locked is an inverse r6 relationship. That inverse r6 relationship means Earth-sized planets in the habitable zone of a red star should become tidally locked in short order because the habitable zone of a red star is very close in.
 
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TrickyDicky: Thanks for the pointer to the current thread I found helpful the post # 9 by D H , especially the comments on "gravity gradient torque". This is closest to my wandering thoughts, despite the caveat that it is not the final answer but is: "...still the preferred explanation as the cause of angular momentum because the mechanism is well understood and is known to exist." I also hasten to add that I wasn't thinking of anything as grand as the Universe as a whole, or its origin. Just of smaller stuff.

Perhaps I may be allowed to hazard a guess about gravity and rotation? Consider a toy model of a stable non-viscous fluid disc of free test-masses revolving around some central mass, each in its own circular orbit. Each is held in orbit by gravity and its tangential speed must therefore be inversely proportional the square root of its orbital radius. In contrast, if the test particles were part of a frozen, rigid rotating disc their tangential speeds would be directly proportional to their orbital radii.

It seems to me that such a toy disc (or any more realistic fluid structure?) must be sheared by gravity as it rotates.

Now fluids (like gases and dust clouds) don't support shear stresses. Their response to shear stresses is to form revolving sub-structures; well-known examples are gyres, whirlpools, vortex streets, hurricanes and tornadoes. I suggest that fluids that rotate while gravitating cannot be stable, but must break down into revolving substuctures.

The toy disc is an oversimplified example of how a one in a hierarchy of such nascent astronomical objects could be formed by fluid instability to shear, inherent in rotating gravitational collapse. Maybe?
 
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D H: I missed your post#3 while concocting #4. Thanks for your comments. I admit to being misleading with a title that was more for drawing attention than apt. I also missed Re: What causes angular momentum in rotating bodies ? in which I should have posted. Coincidences happen. I apologise for this, but appreciate the answers you took the trouble to reply with.

If you have time, I'd also appreciate a commment on #4. I have a copy of Lee Hartman's Accretion Processes in Star formation (1998) but oddly didn't find any mention of vorticity or shear there. Maybe I'm nuttily regressing to Victorian Vortex theories of everything, a pet of one Bill Thomson.
 
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1. Why does day and night occur?

Day and night occur as a result of the Earth's rotation on its axis. As the Earth rotates, the side facing the sun experiences daytime, while the opposite side experiences night. This rotation takes approximately 24 hours to complete, resulting in the regular cycle of day and night.

2. What causes the Earth to rotate?

The Earth's rotation is caused by the initial momentum from its formation as well as the ongoing gravitational pull from the Moon and the Sun. This rotation also contributes to the Earth's overall shape, as it is slightly flattened at the poles due to the centrifugal force created by its rotation.

3. Why does the length of day and night vary throughout the year?

The length of day and night varies throughout the year due to the tilt of the Earth's axis. As the Earth orbits the sun, its axis remains tilted at approximately 23.5 degrees. This tilt results in different parts of the Earth receiving more or less direct sunlight, leading to longer or shorter days and nights.

4. How does daylight savings time affect day and night?

Daylight savings time is a system where clocks are adjusted to provide more daylight during the evening hours. This does not actually affect the length of day and night, as the Earth's rotation remains the same. However, it does shift the time when daylight is experienced, making it feel like there is more or less daylight depending on the time of year.

5. Why do some places experience constant daylight or darkness?

Some places, such as the poles, experience constant daylight or darkness for extended periods of time due to their location relative to the Earth's axis. In the Arctic and Antarctic circles, there are periods of continuous daylight or darkness during their respective summers and winters. This is due to the extreme tilt of the Earth's axis in these regions.

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