dark matter dark energy

jwalk5763

Ok so I might sound a bit ignorant, but please bare with me. I have 2 questions

1st I've always wondered how they know that dark matter isn't just a bunch of black holes. I mean couldn't there be a bunch of little black holes created right after the big bang. You have all these particle flying around with a high amount of energy, couldn't they form little black holes. thanks.

2nd Space really isn't empty, It constantly has photons and other particles traveling through it, could dark energy and dark matter just be all these particles. I know I'm wrong, but I'm looking for an explanation. They way I'm thinking about it is, if you view the universe from an infinite different points of view, you would still see all the stars and what not,and this is due to the photons giving off from these stars.

P.s. I know you can't view the universe from an infinite point of views, because technically you could only view it in different planck distances which is finite.

AbsoluteZer0

According to the standard model of particle physics, all matter is composed of twelve fundamental elementary particles known as fermions. The fermions are grouped into the Quarks and the Leptons. There are also three fundamental forces: the strong force, weak force, and electromagnetic force. The cause of gravitation is widely debated. You can read more here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_Model

The photon is the force carrier of the electromagnetic force. It isn't matter in itself. The problem that dark matter poses is that it does not absorb or emit electromagnetic radiation at a level sufficient enough for us to see it. Its properties are different than those of the matter that we are able to see. Dark energy is believed to be the energy that is causing the accelerated expansion of the universe.

Nabeshin

That would be the MACHO (Massive Compact Halo Object) hypothesis, which is heavily disfavored due to microlensing studies. Note, you can still have a lot of these objects, just not nearly enough to account for the dark matter density we observe. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massive...ct_halo_object

Well the current best idea for what Dark Matter is is that it is indeed a new particle -- one which is simply electromagnetically dark. This makes sense given that a weakly interacting particle will pass through normal matter (we see this in systems like the bullet cluster), and that it can easily aggregate in halo-like formations which reproduce the observed rotation curves of galaxies.

But think for a moment about what dark energy is. It's a substance giving rise to an acceleration of the universe, and critically, its density does NOT decrease when the universe expands. This strongly suggests that it is not due to individual particles themselves, but rather a field of constant density which permeates all of spacetime, or the so-called 'vacuum energy' (since it exists when you're classically in vacuum).

friend

Here's a question:

We know that photons loose energy and are red shifted as they climb out of a gravitational well. So wouldn't gravitons also loose energy as they climb out of a gravitational well? And wouldn't this make objects farther away from galatic centers seem more massive than otherwise? I wonder if this could account for dark matter.

bapowell

If we assume that gravitational radiation is made of gravitons, then sure -- as gravity waves are redshifted, gravitons will lose energy. But an object's gravity is not transmitted by gravitational radiation. Instead, the gravitational interaction between two bodies is mediated by spacetime curvature.

skg94

1st. Black holes give off radiation, we can observe different types of electromagnetic fields and radiation from black holes, so we can technically observe them in a sense. Dark matter or energy doesnt give off anything, it only deflects light to your second question photons dont go right through them it gets deflected, using gravitational lensing we are able to see that some form of matter exists. And using gravitational lensing we are able to see that dark matter's gravitational pull creates the "web" where along the matter are where the galaxies are lined up. Also photons and particles cannot create the gravity needed to keep the galaxy in shape the theoryof dm and energy comes from and unaccounted gravitational and repulsive force. Gravity in the sense that to keep all our stars t constant velocity in our galaxy an others there had to be an external force dark matter. Einstein suggested our worlds will be pulled together by gravity but there is a force overpowering both dark matters gravity and visible gravity, dark energy. Photons are massless according to mass and energy theory technically and the black hole at the cetre of our galaxies doesnt create enough gravity needed either.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJIK2qK-0U4

Everything i said came from that documentary and another about black holes.

ImaLooser

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