Why do the order of Lorentz transformations matter?

In summary, the order in which Lorentz boosts are applied affects the resultant transformation matrix because the set of all Lorentz boosts does not form a commutative group. In contrast, spacetime translations form a commutative group and space rotations form a group but not necessarily a commutative one. In two dimensions, plane rotations or SO(2) form an abelian group, but in three dimensions, space rotations or SO(3) do not.
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lets say you apply a Lorentz boost in the x direction with velocity v and a Lorentz boost in the y direction with velocity v'. Why does it makes that the order in which you apply the transformations affects the resultant transformation matrix? These are two independent directions, so shouldn't you be free to apply the transformations in whatever order you want. Interestingly, I get the transpose matrix when I reverse the order of application. Why does that make sense? In the Galilean system, the order does not matter, right?
 
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Well, the set of all Lorentz boosts don't even make up a group, not to mention a commutative group. Or think about it this way: do matrices generally commute under multiplication ?

Spacetime translations form a commutative group. Space rotations don't form a commutative group, but they form a group.
 
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dextercioby said:
Well, the set of all Lorentz boosts don't even make up a group, not to mention a commutative group. Or think about it this way: do matrices generally commute under multiplication ?

Spacetime translations form a commutative group. Space rotations don't form a commutative group, but they form a group.

What is an example of two space rotations that are not commutative? They do form a group in two dimensions, correct?
 
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By space rotations i meant just that, "space" rotations, i.e. the SO(3) group. The plane rotations, or SO(2), form an abelian group, since one can show that [itex] SO(2)\simeq U(1) [/itex], with the latter group being abelian.
 
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I see. Thanks.
 

1. What are Lorentz transformations?

Lorentz transformations are a set of equations developed by physicist Hendrik Lorentz that describe how the space and time coordinates of an event in one reference frame are related to the coordinates of the same event in another reference frame that is moving at a constant velocity relative to the first frame.

2. Why are Lorentz transformations important?

Lorentz transformations are an essential part of Einstein's theory of special relativity, which revolutionized our understanding of space and time. They allow us to understand how physical quantities, such as length, time, and mass, change when an observer's reference frame is moving at high speeds.

3. What is the difference between Galilean transformations and Lorentz transformations?

Galilean transformations were developed by Galileo Galilei and describe how the space and time coordinates of an event in one reference frame are related to the coordinates of the same event in another reference frame that is moving at a constant velocity relative to the first frame. However, Galilean transformations do not take into account the effects of time dilation and length contraction at high speeds, which Lorentz transformations do.

4. How are Lorentz transformations derived?

Lorentz transformations can be derived from the principles of special relativity, specifically the constancy of the speed of light and the relativity of simultaneity. They can also be derived mathematically using the Lorentz transformation equations.

5. What are some real-world applications of Lorentz transformations?

Lorentz transformations have many practical applications in modern physics, including in the fields of astrophysics, particle physics, and engineering. They are used to understand and predict the behavior of particles at high speeds, as well as to calibrate and correct data from experiments involving high-speed particles.

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