Ignition Coil and Capacitor oscillations

In summary, Bob S posted a simulation in a now closed thread regarding the use of a capacitor in an auto ignition system. The simulation showed that the capacitor reduces arcs across the points and increases the point's lifetime. However, in real world scenarios, the LC resonance is heavily damped once the arc has struck, resulting in one main spike and a small ring at DC. The spark also produces a wide band of RF oscillation during the current spike. Questions were raised about the number of sparks produced in one compression cycle and the speed at which the loading from the spark plug dampens out the oscillation.
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BOB S had posted this in a now closed thread:

https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=360072

When the points close, the capacitor is shorted and the coil primary charges up to about 2 amps (limited by coil internal resistance of ~6 ohms). When the points open, there is a very large V = L dI/dt voltage, ~300 volts, across the capacitor that resonates back and forth with current in the coil, for ~ 10 cycles. The coil secondary:primary turns ratio is ~100:1 so the coil secondary voltage is ~30,000 volts. See my LTSPICE simulation
https://www.physicsforums.com/attachm...6&d=1250393723
The points close at 0 and 4 milliseconds, and they open at 2 and 6 milliseconds.

Regarding this analysis ...
https://www.physicsforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=20126&d=1250393723

My questions ...

Q1) Does this oscillation from the L-C circuit actually cause several (+/-/+/-) sparks on the spark plug each time the peak voltage on the secondary exceeds the break-over voltage?

Q2) How quickly does the loading from the spark plug via the secondary dampen out that oscillation in the real world?

Q3) So, how many "sparks" are there in one compression cycle?
 
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The attachment was a simulation. The capacitor is there to reduce arcs across the points from the inductive back-voltage, thus increasing the point's lifetime. His simulation has the output on the capacitor which is not how auto ignition systems are designed.

points.gif


Faraday's Law and Auto Ignition
 
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mrsummitville said:
My questions ...

Q1) Does this oscillation from the L-C circuit actually cause several (+/-/+/-) sparks on the spark plug each time the peak voltage on the secondary exceeds the break-over voltage?

Q2) How quickly does the loading from the spark plug via the secondary dampen out that oscillation in the real world?

Q3) So, how many "sparks" are there in one compression cycle?

Once the arc has struck, the LC resonance is very heavily damped (shorted right out) so you will get one main spike and a small 'ring' at DC. The spark itself will have a wide band of RF oscillation, during the current spike.
 

1. What is an ignition coil?

An ignition coil is a component in a vehicle's ignition system that is responsible for converting low voltage battery power into high voltage electrical pulses needed to create a spark in the spark plugs.

2. How does an ignition coil work?

An ignition coil works through a process called electromagnetic induction. When the primary circuit of the coil is activated by the ignition switch, a magnetic field is created, which collapses and induces a high voltage in the secondary circuit, creating the spark needed for combustion.

3. What is the role of a capacitor in ignition coil oscillations?

The capacitor in an ignition coil helps to regulate the oscillations and stabilize the voltage output. It stores electrical energy and releases it in controlled bursts, ensuring a consistent spark for combustion.

4. What causes ignition coil and capacitor oscillations?

The oscillations in an ignition coil and capacitor are caused by the opening and closing of the primary circuit, which interrupts the flow of current and creates a back and forth motion of energy between the coil and capacitor.

5. Can a faulty ignition coil or capacitor affect engine performance?

Yes, a faulty ignition coil or capacitor can significantly impact engine performance. It can cause misfires, difficulty starting the engine, and even complete engine failure. It is important to regularly maintain and replace these components to ensure proper functioning of the ignition system.

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