Can the gas law be applied at high temp?

In summary, there has been discussion on the forum about the ideal gas law and its application at high and low pressures. It is believed that at higher temperatures, the perfect gas law should work better due to the decrease in short range forces that cause deviation from the law. However, at very high temperatures, molecules can break down and ionization can occur, leading to new forces that may affect the linearity of the gas law. In fully ionized plasma, the perfect gas law is still valid due to Debye shielding. Overall, the perfect gas law is most accurate when the interactions between molecules are negligible compared to the total energy.
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haiha
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Recently on forum we have several topics about the ideal gas law which involve the high and low pressure. Now I wonder if this law can be applied at rather high temperatures, let say 1000-1200 K, but the pressure is just ambient.

Thank you for reading the question.
THL
 
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I would say that higher the temperature the better the perfect gas law should work.

This is because the short range forces that cause the deviation from the perfect gas law play less and less role when the temperature (the energies) is higher. Don't forget the perfect gas law occurs when the interactions between molecules is negligible (although large enough to allow the thermodynamic equilibrium to be reached, ... , long discussion).

However, at higher and higer temperature molecules can break down and even atom can become ionised. This cause the number of "moles" to increase and changes the volume or the pressure, and thereby cause a deviation from the perfect law in the course.

Moreover, new forces occur since ionization will produces ions and ions will experience very strong and -in principle- long range attraction. However, in fully ionized plasma, the perfect gas law is very well verified. The reason is that this long range eletrostatic forces are shielded by cloud of electron around the ions, this is called Debye shielding. Plasma physics is a quite interresting subject ...

Michel
 
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Thank you lalbatros.

Your explanation is quite clear. I just think that at relatively high temperature, gas molecules may get 'softer' or something else, and that could affect the linearity of the gas law. Anyway, every law has its own domain doesn't it.
 
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Haiha,

Clearly, when the interactions (potential energy) between molecule become negligible compared to the total energy of the molecules, then the perfect gas law become more and more precisely verified.

As I explained, generally increased temperatures imply higer energies and constant of lower potential energies.

However, sometimes new physics pop-up, like ionisation, and new interactions appear, like long range electrostatic forces. Then the increased validity of the perfect gas law is not granted anymore. However, Debye shielding makes comes to rescue and in hot ionised gases, the perfect gas law tend to be valid. Note also that plasmas display quite a lot of interresting physics.

Michel
 

1. Can the gas law be applied at high temperatures?

Yes, the gas laws can still be applied at high temperatures as long as the gas behaves ideally and there is no change in the number of moles of gas present.

2. What is considered a high temperature for the gas law?

The definition of "high temperature" can vary depending on the specific gas law being applied. However, generally a temperature above 1000 K (727 °C) is considered high for most gas law calculations.

3. Are there any special considerations when using the gas law at high temperatures?

Yes, at high temperatures, the ideal gas law may not accurately describe the behavior of real gases. In such cases, other gas laws such as the Van der Waals equation may be used to account for the non-ideal behavior.

4. Is it necessary to use absolute temperature when applying the gas law at high temperatures?

Yes, absolute temperature (Kelvin) should always be used when using the gas law, regardless of the temperature. This is because the gas law is based on the relationship between pressure, volume, and temperature, which are all directly proportional to absolute temperature.

5. Can the gas law be applied to all types of gases at high temperatures?

No, the gas law is only applicable to ideal gases that follow the assumptions of the kinetic molecular theory. Real gases may deviate from ideal behavior at high temperatures, and therefore, the gas law may not accurately predict their behavior.

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