Rate of heat transfer and heat conductors

In summary, the conversation discusses the calculation of heat exchange rate in a situation involving a cold pool of water and hot air outside. It is stated that the calculation is not straightforward and factors such as the temperature of the walls of the vessel and heat loss due to evaporation must be considered. Additionally, the conversation mentions the modification of heat transfer rate when a layer of material with a known thermal conductivity is added. The process involves setting up a 2D heat flow equation and considering the effects of conduction, convection, and radiation. The conversation concludes by acknowledging the complexity of the calculations and the need for temperature difference, thickness, and conductivity in determining heat transfer rate.
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lets say you have the following situation: you have a cold pool of water, and hot air outside. how do you calculate the rate at which heat is exchanged (given Twater and Tair, the surface area of the pool, etc.)?
Now, let's say you add a layer of a certain material x meters thick that has a known thermal conductivity between air and water. how is the rate of heat transfer modified?

Thanks,

Alex
 
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don't tell me nobody here knows how to do that...
 
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It's not a straightforward calculation :
If the water is contained in a vessel or cavity, what is the temperature of the walls of the vessel/cavity. Is this temperature going to change, ie : is the vessel infinitely thick compared to the volume of water ?)

You need to set up a 2D heat flow equation inside the water, and you need to add heat loss due to evaporation (though this is probably small). Assume some temperature distribution T(r,z) for a cylindrical pool. Then :

[tex]Q_r = -KA(r) {\frac {\partial{T}} {\partial{r}}}, and [/tex]
[tex] A(r) = 2\pi rh[/tex]

Similarly for the z-direction. Try a separable solution. Put in the boundary conditions and solve.
 
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Its a little bit complicated for the pool because a little bit of wind makes a vast difference. Heat will leave the pool through all three typical ways: conduction (water touching the air), convection (air moving around above the water), and radiation (like a light bulb). The temperature difference is key though.

Thermal conductivity in a single material is easier: you need temperature difference from one side to the other, thickness, and conductivity.

You want some actual math? It gets pretty rough...
 

1. What is the difference between rate of heat transfer and heat conductors?

Rate of heat transfer refers to the speed at which heat energy is transferred from one object to another. Heat conductors, on the other hand, are materials that allow heat to pass through them easily.

2. How is the rate of heat transfer affected by the type of material?

The rate of heat transfer is affected by the thermal conductivity of the material. Materials with high thermal conductivity, such as metals, allow heat to transfer quickly while materials with low thermal conductivity, such as air, transfer heat slowly.

3. Does the temperature difference between two objects affect the rate of heat transfer?

Yes, the rate of heat transfer is directly proportional to the temperature difference between two objects. The greater the temperature difference, the faster the heat will transfer between the objects.

4. Can heat transfer occur in a vacuum?

Yes, heat transfer can occur in a vacuum through the process of radiation. This is the transfer of heat energy through electromagnetic waves, such as infrared radiation, which does not require a medium to travel through.

5. How can the rate of heat transfer be increased?

The rate of heat transfer can be increased by increasing the temperature difference between two objects, increasing the surface area of the objects in contact, and using materials with high thermal conductivity. Additionally, insulating materials can be used to decrease the rate of heat transfer.

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