Variations in the moon's orbit

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In summary, the moon's orbit moves from low in the sky to higher in the sky, then back due to the inclination of its orbit and the Earth's axial tilt. This causes the moon's path in the sky to vary from day to day, and its extremes of high and low can be as much as 28.5 degrees north or south of the celestial equator. The variations in the moon's orbit are more noticeable because it takes only a month to go through a cycle, while the sun's variations take a year.
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Why does the moon's orbit move from low in the sky to higher in the sky, then back? I have tried accessing information on precession, etc. with no understandable answer. Wikipedia was no help.

It's a minor issue, but one that has left me scratching for a long time.
 
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Jim Ross said:
Why does the moon's orbit move from low in the sky to higher in the sky, then back?
What? Explain. Over what period do you think this happens? Monthly?
 
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Do you something similar to what the sun does through the year?
 
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The moon's orbit plane is not aligned with the Earth's tilted, and wobbling axis. This is also why solar eclipes can't be observed in the same location on Earth every month.
 
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Jim Ross said:
Why does the moon's orbit move from low in the sky to higher in the sky, then back? I have tried accessing information on precession, etc. with no understandable answer. Wikipedia was no help.

Precession is not something you can notice just looking at the sky (unless you live for thousands of years). What I think you are talking about is just the variation in height of the moon's daily path across the sky?

The sun does the same thing --- because the Earth's axis is tilted about 23.5 degrees from vertical, the noon sun is on the celestial equator (a baseline in the sky that runs from due east on your horizon, to a height of (90 - your latitude) at due south, to due west on your horizon) on the spring and fall equinoxes; it is 23.5 degrees north of that (higher in the sky) the first day of summer, and 23.5 degrees south of that (lower in the sky) the first day of winter. (All of that assumes you are in the northern hemisphere.) The sun's path in the sky is called the ecliptic.

The moon's orbit is close to the plane of the ecliptic, so it follows approximately the same path in the sky. But because it goes through the cycle in a month instead of a year, the difference from day to day is much more noticeable.

Also, its orbit is close, but not exactly on the ecliptic. It's tilted about 5 degrees, so its extremes of high and low in the sky are greater than those of the sun (it can be as much as 28.5 degrees north or south of the celestial equator), again making it more noticeable.

Hope this helps.
 
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The OP's question is far too vague for a meaningful answer. We need to know what he means when he observes it moving 'from low in the sky to higher in the sky, then back'.
 
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DaveC426913 said:
The OP's question is far too vague for a meaningful answer. We need to know what he means when he observes it moving 'from low in the sky to higher in the sky, then back'.

What else could he mean, other than the question I attempted to answer? He is clearly talking about something noticeable to a very casual observer, and he clearly is too intelligent to be talking about simple rising and setting, so what else is there?
 
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--The moon orbits the earth. It takes ~27.3 days (sidereal month)
--This orbit has an inclination, resulting in the moon going between +23.4 degrees and -23.4 degrees throughout the sidereal month.

Check these images out:
http://www.google.ca/imgres?q=earth+moon+sun&um=1&hl=en&biw=1440&bih=733&tbm=isch&tbnid=GiBzvlyq3rXqgM:&imgrefurl=http://scienceblogs.com/startswithabang/2009/07/the_best_eclipse_of_the_centur.php&docid=RrlAv9t7iFlUJM&w=694&h=473&ei=qoV7TqTZLYeu8gOEqaQR&zoom=1
Picture 1

http://www.google.ca/imgres?q=earth+orbit+tilt&um=1&hl=en&sa=N&tbm=isch&tbnid=dYSh6j074cQJkM:&imgrefurl=http://www.earthgauge.net/kids-archives/december2010_archives&docid=IMIvevmhNpXBjM&w=529&h=327&ei=jIZ7TrzWBc_dsgaJhPDdDw&zoom=1&biw=1440&bih=733&iact=rc&dur=141&page=1&tbnh=100&tbnw=161&start=0&ndsp=28&ved=1t:429,r:2,s:0&tx=40&ty=32
Picture 2

What you have to understand is that the inclinations (angles WRT to the ecliptic) of these orbits do not change in their orientation. The "celestial direction" of the moon's perigee is always the same. Just as the Earth's axial tilt always points the NP to the same general celestial direction. So as these begin to differ, the moon takes different positions in the sky. Depending on where it is in it's orbit and where the Earth is in ITS orbit. Obviously also where you are on the Earth.
 
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1. What causes variations in the moon's orbit?

The moon's orbit is affected by the gravitational pull of the Sun, Earth, and other planets. This causes slight variations in its path around the Earth.

2. How often do variations in the moon's orbit occur?

Variations in the moon's orbit occur on a regular basis, with the most significant changes happening every 18.6 years. This is known as the lunar nodal cycle.

3. What effects do variations in the moon's orbit have on Earth?

The moon's orbit can affect Earth's tides, as well as the length of a day and the tilt of the Earth's axis. It can also have an impact on the Earth's climate and weather patterns.

4. Can variations in the moon's orbit affect human behavior?

There is no scientific evidence to suggest that variations in the moon's orbit have any direct impact on human behavior. However, some cultures and beliefs associate lunar cycles with certain emotions or behaviors.

5. Is the moon's orbit constantly changing?

Yes, the moon's orbit is constantly changing due to the gravitational forces acting on it. However, these changes are very subtle and may not be noticeable to the naked eye.

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