Collision -- why there is no parallel component?

In summary, the conversation discussed the elastic collision of a particle with a wall at a 60 degree angle from the wall's normal. The force from the wall is along the normal, but there is no parallel component due to the assumption of a frictionless wall. However, in real-world situations, there may be a parallel component that is often neglected. This can be observed in the spin of a ball after bouncing off a wall. The conversation also touched on the limitations of ideal cases and the use of approximations in physics.
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say that a particle collides elastically with a wall 60 degrees from the wall's normal. the force from the wall is along the wall's normal. My questions is why there is no parallel component to the force from the wall since the particles velocity had a parallel component.
 
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there will be a parallel component to the force on the ball/particle unless you're assuming a frictionless wall. In beginning physics this is usually ignored because it is a minor effect. This is easily verifiable - when you throw a ball and it bounces, it will spin. The spinning is caused by the parallel component of the force on the ball.

If you're talking solid state / particles / lattice interactions, that is beyond me.
 
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There is parallel component but is being neglected.
 
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yes there is parallel componet but is being neglected , if you imagine a stretched wall or the collision may be with a giant rock then we can understand
 
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We take things a step at a time. Start with the most ideal case and work upwards - or leave it at that, if you want to. Even the coefficient of restitution, beloved of all students, is only an approximation but it does well in many cases.
 

1. What is a collision and how does it occur?

A collision is an event where two objects come into contact with each other. It can occur when the objects are moving or stationary, and can result in different outcomes depending on the mass, velocity, and direction of the objects.

2. Why is there no parallel component in a collision?

In a collision, the parallel component refers to the motion of the objects in the same direction. The reason there is no parallel component is because the objects are colliding head-on, meaning they are moving towards each other in opposite directions. The motion is perpendicular to the direction of the collision, resulting in no parallel component.

3. What is the difference between an elastic and inelastic collision?

An elastic collision is a collision where the total kinetic energy of the objects is conserved, meaning no energy is lost during the collision. In an inelastic collision, some of the kinetic energy is lost as heat, sound, or deformation of the objects.

4. How does Newton's third law of motion apply to collisions?

Newton's third law states that for every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction. In collisions, this means that the force exerted by one object on another is equal in magnitude and opposite in direction. This is important in understanding how objects behave during a collision.

5. What factors influence the outcome of a collision?

The outcome of a collision is influenced by factors such as the mass, velocity, and direction of the objects involved. In addition, the type of collision (elastic or inelastic) and the presence of external forces can also affect the outcome. The shape and composition of the objects can also play a role in the outcome of a collision.

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