How can vacuum and water be used for cooling?

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Vacuum+Water= cooling.. maybe??

hello everyone

first I would thank you for this wonderfull forum
I was only reading for along time and learned a lot.
today i would like to present an idea about vacuum cooling or evaporative cooling i don't know
so here it is:
1) vacuuming the air from a thermally insulated tank half full of water (distelled)

2) evaporation rate will increase

3) the tank is now full of water and water vapor

4) each gram of water will need 540 calories to evaporate which means it will decrease the temparature of 540 grams of water by one degee C

5) now take out the water vapor by the vacuum pump to a small HX, let condense,release
the heat then return it back to the tank

6) we can use a set of coils, a water pump and fan to cool the house.

here is a pic of this idea hope it helps:


[URL]http://www.0zz0.com[/URL]
could it work??
thank you in advance for any help
 
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Yes, it certainly could work. Could it be more efficient than a normal air conditioner? Probably not.
 
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Vacuum+Water= cooling.. maybe??

thank god it is "probably".:biggrin:
I am relying on one or two improvements to boost efficiency or "COP"
one is to use the vacuum resulting from the condensing vapor in the heat exchanger
to pull water vapor from the tank without further use of vacuum pump.



I know when an idea is so simple and not used, 99% of the time I am missing something
but I will try to make it with my friend this week, and post the results here.

ANY SUGGESTIONS
 
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ANY SUGGESTIONS
I suggest you clearly define your states and processes so you can use thermodynamics to predict the performance before the test.
 
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It is not a new idea, http://research.atsfry.com/Passenger/pass_ac.htm [Broken]
but one worth looking at. The real savings might come form the high duty cycle low startup energy. The return path of the chilled water should be sprayed back into the bath, as this maximizes surface area.
 
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Looks like an over complicated cooling tower and industrial air washer to me.

But hey I am just the guy that has to fix this stuff when it breaks.

Your most efficient heat transfer occurs at phase (state) change. Where are you changing state and what kind of temps are we talking about?
 
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Sorry. Just re-read the post and realized your phase changes.
 
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thank you john for the link, but it is too complicated than what i have in mind
spraying the feed water is a good idea
by the way does this arrangement has a name to google it ?
 
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Neat idea, but as Russ says, probably not going to be more efficient than an AC (particularly in the creation of the vacuum), or as easy to make as a DIY swamp cooler (block of ice / mister in front of a fan).

On a somewhat tangential note, I saw a Zeer (pot-in-pot refrigerator) a few years back on a tv program--evaporative cooling for small-scale refrigeration, and IMO incredibly useful in the third world:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pot-in-pot_refrigerator
 
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muneef2011 said:
thank you john for the link, but it is too complicated than what i have in mind
spraying the feed water is a good idea
by the way does this arrangement has a name to google it ?

I think the most common name would be "steam jet refrigeration" From My understanding it was used a lot in the 1930s for theater AC systems. Any place that had a boiler, could use the steam to cool as well.
As to the efficiency, any time you can use heat in it's native form to do your work, you have saved several inefficient steps.
I also found this better link.
http://www.tappi.org/Bookstore/Technical-Papers/Journal-Articles/Archive/Solutions/Archives/2004/June/Troubleshooting-and-optimization-of-steam-jet-ejector-water-chillers-Solutions-Online-Exclusives.aspx
I think the main issue with this technology, was that it did not scale well.
Another thing to look at for reference only is how airlines chill the cabin air.
Comperssion(in the jet engine), radiate the heat to the outside, and expand into the cabin(with those little nozzles over the seats.)
 
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I think the key part is the pump in it ...Is it?
 
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johnbbahm said:
I think the most common name would be "steam jet refrigeration" From My understanding it was used a lot in the 1930s for theater AC systems. Any place that had a boiler, could use the steam to cool as well.
As to the efficiency, any time you can use heat in it's native form to do your work, you have saved several inefficient steps.
I also found this better link.
http://www.tappi.org/Bookstore/Technical-Papers/Journal-Articles/Archive/Solutions/Archives/2004/June/Troubleshooting-and-optimization-of-steam-jet-ejector-water-chillers-Solutions-Online-Exclusives.aspx
I think the main issue with this technology, was that it did not scale well.
Another thing to look at for reference only is how airlines chill the cabin air.
Comperssion(in the jet engine), radiate the heat to the outside, and expand into the cabin(with those little nozzles over the seats.)

A piezo pumps will help SCALE IT VERY WELL .I hv seen the similar pumps from some webs like:www.takasago-elec.com[/url] , [url]http://www.piezodata.com[/URL] ,
[url]http://waterpumpsz.com/2675-micro-water-pumps.html[/url] , I think u can find one suitalbe for yr work .
 
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1. How does vacuum and water work together to create cooling?

Vacuum and water work together to create cooling through a process called evaporation. When water is placed in a vacuum chamber, the pressure is reduced, causing the water molecules to have more space to move and escape into the air as vapor. This process requires energy, which is taken from the water itself, resulting in a decrease in temperature and a cooling effect.

2. Is it possible to achieve below freezing temperatures with vacuum and water?

Yes, it is possible to achieve below freezing temperatures with vacuum and water. This is because of the principle of evaporative cooling, which allows the water to continue to evaporate until the temperature reaches the freezing point. However, the rate of cooling will be slower as the temperature decreases.

3. Can vacuum and water cooling be used in everyday applications?

Yes, vacuum and water cooling can be used in everyday applications. It is commonly used in household refrigerators, air conditioners, and even in some industrial processes. It is a simple and effective way of cooling without the use of harmful chemicals.

4. What are the benefits of using vacuum and water for cooling?

One of the main benefits of using vacuum and water for cooling is its energy efficiency. It does not require electricity or other external energy sources to cool, making it environmentally friendly and cost-effective. Additionally, it does not produce any harmful byproducts, making it a safe cooling method.

5. Are there any limitations to vacuum and water cooling?

One limitation of vacuum and water cooling is its dependence on the surrounding temperature and humidity. If the temperature is already very low or the humidity is high, the cooling effect may not be as significant. Additionally, it may not be suitable for cooling large or heavily insulated objects as the cooling process may take longer.

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