- #1
Edwin McCravy
- 16
- 0
I know that it can be proved that it works perfectly to assume that subatomic particles exist, but that's not really proof that they actually exist. Thank you.
Edwin McCravy said:I know that it can be proved that it works perfectly to assume that subatomic particles exist, but that's not really proof that they actually exist. Thank you.
Edwin McCravy said:I know that it can be proved that it works perfectly to assume that subatomic particles exist, but that's not really proof that they actually exist. Thank you.
phyzguy said:Can you prove to me that YOU "actually exist".
ZapperZ said:You mean you are still not convinced that electrons exist?
And what kind of evidence do YOU consider as "proof"?
Zz.
phyzguy said:Can you prove to me that YOU "actually exist".
Amio said:I guess I can't deny my existence.
Edwin McCravy said:>>You mean you are still not convinced that electrons exist?<<
I'm thoroughly convinced that the atomic theory and other theories have been proved to work. Thus it works perfectly to assume that electrons and other particles exist, and therefore I will say and declare to the world "Electrons, etc., exist". I'll yell that from the highest podium! However, deep down I am not 100% certain that some other theory that contradicts the electron theory might work too, and better too -- if only it were thought of.
>>And what kind of evidence do YOU consider as "proof"?<<
The microscope proved that germs and bacteria exist. They were only postulated to exist before that, by observing that some diseases were contageous. In the thirties they proved that atoms exist by supposedly bombarding them with electrons. But they haven't bombarded electrons with any smaller particles, to prove that electrons. That's the sort of thing I label "proof of existence". Proof that the assumption of the existence of something always works is one thing -- but proving its existence is another.
Edwin
Edwin McCravy said:The microscope proved that germs and bacteria exist. ...But they haven't bombarded electrons with any smaller particles, to prove that electrons. That's the sort of thing I label "proof of existence".
phyzguy said:Can you prove to me that YOU "actually exist".
The microscope proved that germs and bacteria exist.
What you’re looking at is the first direct observation of an atom’s electron orbital — an atom's actual wave function! To capture the image, researchers utilized a new quantum microscope — an incredible new device that literally allows scientists to gaze into the quantum realm. Continues...
Amio said:I just love philosophy.
And for the OP, as the 'assumption' that subatomic particles exist - by your own words works perfectly and as you certainly know all experimental evidences prove this assumption positive And everything built upon this assumption also works perfectly - what is left to really prove here?
Edwin McCravy said:Nobody has even started to show that there can be no competing theory that refutes it that will work just as well.
AlephZero said:You didn't answer the question. Can you prove to me that YOU "actually exist".
Proving it to yourself doesn't count.
Edwin McCravy said:Realize that the word "exist" was coined by humans who can only have coined it to be used to mean whatever those humans who considered "exist" to be usable for. Those word coiners were only human. They believed they existed and would have believed that any of us existed if they had lived to now. As I reminded the other person, never forget that all words were coined by humans -- like you and me.
Edwin McCravy said:Nobody has even started to show that there can be no competing theory that refutes it that will work just as well.
Yes, subatomic particles can be observed through the use of powerful microscopes, such as electron microscopes, which allow scientists to see individual particles.
Scientists use a variety of experimental techniques, including particle accelerators and detectors, to study the behavior and interactions of subatomic particles.
Yes, there is mathematical evidence for the existence of subatomic particles, including equations such as the Schrödinger equation and the Standard Model of particle physics.
Yes, subatomic particles can also be indirectly proven to exist through their effects on other particles and their contribution to various physical phenomena.
While there is strong evidence for the existence of subatomic particles, there are still some unresolved questions and mysteries surrounding their behavior and interactions, particularly at the quantum level.