Weight of Hot Body: Balance in Thermal Equilibrium?

In summary, the conversation discusses a scenario involving a spherical hot body on a sensitive balance, where the temperature of the body is lower than the surrounding temperature. The question is whether the balance will remain in a state of mechanical equilibrium when the temperatures are equalized. The discussion also brings up the concept of kinetic energy contributing to gravitational mass and how it has not been extensively studied in the literature. Finally, it mentions previous discussions on the topic and references Carlip's formula for gravitational mass.
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Consider a spherical hot body having a temperature T, located on one of the pans of a very sensitive balance. It is equilibrated puting a given mass on the other pan of the balance. The temperature T is lower then the ambiental one. The balance is in mechanical equilibrium but out of thermal equilibrium. Does the balance remain in a state of mechanical equilibrium when its temperature equates the ambiental one? The transmission of energy is isotropic.
 
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The balance does not remain in a state of mechanical equilibrium - this follows from argments presented in

http://arxiv.org/abs/gr-qc/9909014

According to the general theory of relativity, kinetic energy contributes to gravitational mass. Surprisingly, the observational evidence for this prediction does not seem to be discussed in the literature. I reanalyze existing experimental data to test the equivalence principle for the kinetic energy of atomic electrons, and show that fairly strong limits on possible violations can be obtained.

It's also been discussed a lot here on the board, you can probably find the past discussions if you look.

Carlip's formula for "gravitational mass", the intergal of density + 3*pressure, is basically the flat-space version of the more general Komar mass formula which applies to any static metric.
 
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In this scenario, although the hot body and the balance are in mechanical equilibrium, there is a difference in temperature between them. This means that there is a flow of energy from the hot body to the balance, which will eventually lead to the balance reaching the same temperature as the ambient environment. As the temperature of the balance increases, it will experience a change in its properties, such as expansion or contraction, which may disrupt the mechanical equilibrium.

However, the transmission of energy in this scenario is isotropic, meaning that it is evenly distributed in all directions. This allows the balance to adjust to the changing temperature without any significant disruption to its mechanical equilibrium. As the balance reaches the same temperature as the ambient environment, the flow of energy will cease and the balance will remain in a state of mechanical equilibrium.

It is important to note that the balance may experience minor fluctuations in its weight as it adjusts to the changing temperature, but these fluctuations should not significantly impact its overall state of mechanical equilibrium. Overall, the balance should remain stable and in mechanical equilibrium even when its temperature equates the ambiental one, as long as the transmission of energy remains isotropic.
 

What is thermal equilibrium?

Thermal equilibrium is a state in which two or more objects are at the same temperature and there is no net transfer of heat between them.

Why is it important to achieve thermal equilibrium in a hot body?

In order to accurately measure the weight of a hot body, it is important to achieve thermal equilibrium. This ensures that the temperature of the body remains constant, allowing for more precise measurements.

How does the weight of a hot body change in thermal equilibrium?

In thermal equilibrium, the weight of a hot body remains constant. This is because there is no net transfer of heat, so the body does not experience any changes in mass or weight.

What factors can affect the weight of a hot body in thermal equilibrium?

The weight of a hot body in thermal equilibrium can be affected by factors such as the temperature and density of the body, the surrounding environment, and the presence of any external forces or fields.

What are some methods for achieving thermal equilibrium in a hot body?

One method for achieving thermal equilibrium in a hot body is to let it sit in a controlled environment for a period of time until its temperature stabilizes. Another method is to use a device such as a thermometer to measure the temperature and ensure it remains constant. Additionally, using insulation or conducting experiments in a vacuum can also help maintain thermal equilibrium in a hot body.

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