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If subatomic particles are "nonlocal" then our brains/mind and consciousness is nonlocal. Thid being the case, it would say a lot about the paradox of Schroedinger's Cat. What do you think?
Thanks Rad
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Jonny_trigonometry said:
RAD4921 said:If subatomic particles are "nonlocal" then our brains/mind and consciousness is nonlocal. Thid being the case, it would say a lot about the paradox of Schroedinger's Cat. What do you think?
Thanks Rad
quantumcarl said:First I ask "by what mechanism does the quantum 'structure' - which appears unstructured with regard to what we know as "structure" - how does it support the emergence of such structures as are found in emergent phenomena?"
This is looking at, as you say, "our brains/mind and consciousness" from the other end. What is going on on a quantum scale that has caused the emergent phenomena of "brains/minds/awareness"?
Hypothetically speaking and relying on a very close knit group of physicists who write reports about their experiments, the whole damn planet has gone non-local, not just everyone's brains/thoughts.
With this in mind, why aren't telepathy and ESP accepted as probable modes of communication given the physics surrounding the concepts?
RAD4921 said:I cannot prove anything to you nor will I try. I can only tell you what I believe. I am an idealist. I believe all there is is consciousness so there is no need for "emergence" of it .
I believe David Bohm's philosophy that the universe at its most basic level is structured holographically, each part containing the whole. This would mean that time and space is an illusion of the discriminating mind of man. If this is the case, one could say the whole universe is nonlocal.
I don't know why ESP and telepathy isn't more prevelant in the world but it is a good question. Possibly the mind as we know it just isn't complex enough.
The idea of nonlocal consciousness came to me in the book, "The Self Aware Univese" by physicist Amit Goswami. I have his e mail address if you wish to contact him with your questions.
RAD
quantumcarl said:Cool dude:tongue2:
I agree with the idea of a non-local awareness. It is in keeping with the idea of Cubism from Braques, Piccasso and Cezzan and many later artists like Marcel DuChampes. All the aspects of all things and events are happening simultanieously and Cubism attempts to cram them into one 2D canvas. This is an example of primitive, cybernetic holography.
I also agree with your statement concerning "each part containing the whole." This concept would explain the impression we get of interconnected influences in nature and the expanding conductivity of effect that is explored by Chaos theorists.
The brain is capable of handling the buzz of information going on all around us... and it does. It's a simple physical survival mechanism that disallows this information from reaching one's immediate awareness.
There are some who are able to tap into the perceptions created by ambient, prevailing information. These are the type of people who have stopped listening to the voice of the ego. They are open to the information offered by their experience rather than pre-emptively classifying the experience with pre-conceived notions of "what it will be like". This sort of behaviour does not allow one to be a part of the "Self Aware Universe".
RAD4921 said:You have a very rich vocabulary and I can tell you are well read and very intelligent. I must admit that I was at first intimidated by you because I thought you were a materialist attacking my philosophy of idealism. I also must admit that I quite didn't understand the ideas you first posted and had to read it twice to get what I thought the ideas you were trying to communicate. Thanks for your agreeable response. RAD
PS I can tell from your spelling that you are from Europe
quantumcarl said:Cool dude:tongue2:
I agree with the idea of a non-local awareness. It is in keeping with the idea of Cubism from Braques, Piccasso and Cezzan and many later artists like Marcel DuChampes. All the aspects of all things and events are happening simultanieously and Cubism attempts to cram them into one 2D canvas. This is an example of primitive, cybernetic holography.
I also agree with your statement concerning "each part containing the whole." This concept would explain the impression we get of interconnected influences in nature and the expanding conductivity of effect that is explored by Chaos theorists.
The brain is capable of handling the buzz of information going on all around us... and it does. It's a simple physical survival mechanism that disallows this information from reaching one's immediate awareness.
There are some who are able to tap into the perceptions created by ambient, prevailing information. These are the type of people who have stopped listening to the voice of the ego. They are open to the information offered by their experience rather than pre-emptively classifying the experience with pre-conceived notions of "what it will be like". This sort of behaviour does not allow one to be a part of the "Self Aware Universe".
RAD4921 said:I noticed you used the term "nonlocal awareness" instead of nonlocal consciousness. In your opinion is there a difference?
The concept of nonlocal brain/mind refers to the idea that consciousness and mental processes are not limited to the physical brain, but can extend beyond it to encompass a larger, non-physical realm. This concept challenges the traditional understanding of the brain as the sole source of consciousness and cognition.
Nonlocality is a key principle in quantum physics, which describes the behavior of particles at the subatomic level. In quantum theory, particles can be connected or entangled in a way that allows them to affect each other instantaneously, regardless of distance. This idea of nonlocal communication is also relevant to the concept of nonlocal mind, where consciousness is thought to transcend physical boundaries.
There is currently no conclusive scientific evidence for the existence of nonlocal brain/mind. However, some studies have shown that consciousness and cognition can continue after physical death, suggesting the possibility of a nonlocal aspect to the mind. Additionally, anecdotal reports of near-death experiences and out-of-body experiences also support the idea of a nonlocal mind.
The concept of nonlocal mind challenges the traditional understanding of consciousness as solely a product of brain activity. It suggests that consciousness is not limited to the physical brain, but is a fundamental aspect of the universe that can manifest in different ways. Nonlocality also raises questions about the nature of the self and the relationship between mind and body.
If the existence of nonlocal brain/mind is confirmed, it could have significant implications for our understanding of consciousness, the nature of reality, and our place in the universe. It could also impact fields such as neuroscience, psychology, and philosophy, as well as our beliefs about life after death and the existence of a higher consciousness or universal mind.