Fixing Toiletry Plumbing Issues: Is My Problem Common?

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In summary: I'm moving to a vacuum cleaner in the near future)In summary, a toilet needs to top up every ten minutes. If the problem is not the flapper, then there may be a leak through the tank or around the gasket between the tank and the bowl. If it's the flapper, then adjusting it might not fix it. If it's not the flapper, then there may be a leak through the tank. If it's not the flapper, then there may be a leak through the tank. If it's not the flapper, then there may be a leak through the tank. If it's not the flapper, then there may be a leak through the tank. If it's not the flapper
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My toilet has to top up every ten minutes.

At first, I thought it was a leaky valve, so I fiddled with it but it makes no difference.

I think it has something to do with the overflow doo hicky.

Is this a common problem with an easy fix?
 
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Probably the flapper is leaky. That's an easy fix. Or is that what you meant by the "valve"?

If it is the flapper, then fiddling with it might not fix it. They do decay over time. Usually the fit is standard. Get a good replacement, one that is adjustable. That is, you can control how much water it let's into the bowl before closing.

If it's not the flapper, then maybe there's a leak through the tank. Are your bath mats often squishy?
 
  • #3
get a flushmaster
 
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I agree, it's the flapper. I've had that happen a number of times. $1.50 flapper, problem solved.
 
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An easy way to test for a leaky flapper valve is to put a few drops of food coloring in the tank (I'd pick blue, since people seem to like to dye their toilet water blue anyway, and yellow or red just don't seem right :uhh:). If the next time you go to use the toilet, there's blue in the bowl, you have a leaky flapper valve.

If it's the overflow, you can try adjusting the set screw on the ballcock (I hope the forum censor doesn't hassle me on that :rolleyes:). Ideally, you want the water volume in the tank to stop about 1 inch below the top of the overflow pipe.

And, as Chi suggested, the other possibility is a leak around the gasket between the tank and the bowl. If you notice moisture between the tank and bowl, that could be the culprit. When you do your food coloring test, stick a paper towel between the tank and bowl and see if it comes up damp/dyed.

The other place I've run into trouble are the bolts between the tank and bowl. Those also have little rubber gaskets under them that can wear out/rot over time. That would likely be an obvious drip from the bolts.

My experience is that "guts" for toilets are pretty inexpensive, so if it's not something simple like adjusting the set screw for the overflow, then it's usually easiest to just replace all the guts in the toilet at once. Usually once one rubber part starts rotting, the others are soon to follow, so I just do the whole shebang in one fell swoop rather than one part at a time.
 
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Seems unanimous. You need a new one of these -

http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/5466/flappertc8.jpg [Broken]
 
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DaveC426913 said:
Is this a common problem with an easy fix?

Missed that part the first time around.

Toilets are crazy simple to fix!
Step 1: turn off the water (hopefully you have a shut-off valve right under/behind the toilet somewhere, otherwise this ends up the hardest step if you have to find the main water shut-off to the house).
Step 2: flush the toilet until most of the water is out of the tank.
Step 3: soak up the remaining water in the tank.
Step 4: follow instructions on replacement parts (everything just unscrews, the instructions will tell you the order). DON'T over-tighten the bolts between the bowl and tank...you can crack the porcelain. Everything else is amazingly idiot proof once you have the water drained out.

The only time I had trouble was trying to get the bolts loosened on a toilet tank where the parts were so old the bolts had corroded and there was hardly any clearance for a wrench (my knuckles are protesting just remembering).

Step 5: turn the water back on, adjust the valves for a proper refill volume.
Step 6: check for any leaks and tighten screws as necessary.
Step 7: breathe a sigh of relief as you relieve yourself (you just KNOW the moment you get the toilet apart, nature is going to call :biggrin:)
 
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Moonbear said:
Step 1: turn off the water (hopefully you have a shut-off valve right under/behind the toilet somewhere, otherwise this ends up the hardest step if you have to find the main water shut-off to the house).

coward
 
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tribdog said:
coward

Trust me, I've tried it the other way. Turning off the water first is preferable! (I had a shut-off valve to the toilet that didn't actually work, so after starting to disconnect things, learned I needed to work rather quickly between changing trash cans under the water supply hose. I decided to replace that.)
 
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Chi Meson said:
If it's not the flapper, then maybe there's a leak through the tank. Are your bath mats often squishy?
This obviously was the second suspicion but no, no water. I'll check with the food colouring.

(P.S. I'm done with fuzzy things in the bathroom. Not around the toilet, not on the toilet. Never on the toilet, not while I live and breathe. Fuzzy toilet covers were invented by a misandrist.)

Moonbear said:
An easy way to test for a leaky flapper valve is to put a few drops of food coloring in the tank (I'd pick blue, since people seem to like to dye their toilet water blue anyway, and yellow or red just don't seem right :uhh:). If the next time you go to use the toilet, there's blue in the bowl, you have a leaky flapper valve.

If it's the overflow, you can try adjusting the set screw on the ballcock (I hope the forum censor doesn't hassle me on that :rolleyes:). Ideally, you want the water volume in the tank to stop about 1 inch below the top of the overflow pipe.
Ah! The water fills right up to the top of the overflow and a little bit over.

Moonbear said:
And, as Chi suggested, the other possibility is a leak around the gasket between the tank and the bowl. If you notice moisture between the tank and bowl, that could be the culprit. When you do your food coloring test, stick a paper towel between the tank and bowl and see if it comes up damp/dyed.

The other place I've run into trouble are the bolts between the tank and bowl. Those also have little rubber gaskets under them that can wear out/rot over time. That would likely be an obvious drip from the bolts.
Yeah. I'll confirm with the food colouring but I don't think I'm having any external leaking problems.

In fact, I'd bet money the eater's going into the bowl - I just wasn't sure if the flapoper was the only way that could happen. Thought perhaps the overflow might be the culprit.


Moonbear said:
My experience is that "guts" for toilets are pretty inexpensive, so if it's not something simple like adjusting the set screw for the overflow, then it's usually easiest to just replace all the guts in the toilet at once. Usually once one rubber part starts rotting, the others are soon to follow, so I just do the whole shebang in one fell swoop rather than one part at a time.
Oh, I'm not worried about fixing it; I've replaced all parts of a toilet several times. It's the diagnosis I'm not sure about. No point in replacing a perfectly good working part...

Thanks all.
 
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DaveC426913 said:
In fact, I'd bet money the eater's going into the bowl...

Well there's your problem. That flapper's hungry. Careful sitting down...:eek:
 
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Sounds like you should call Joe the Plumber.
 
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DaveC426913 said:
Ah! The water fills right up to the top of the overflow and a little bit over.

That's your problem then. If you have a nice, simple toilet valve with the ball on a stick float, there's a screw where it attaches to the valve. Just fiddle with that a bit until you get it adjusted so the water stops filling the tank a bit below the overflow. That's an easy fix without needing to replace any parts.

However, if adjusting the screw doesn't do the job, it could be that the valve is getting sticky and not shutting off easily. That would usually require replacing it.

If the overflow is obviously overflowing, no point fussing with the food coloring test...water gets into the bowl from the overflow too.
 
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lisab said:
seems unanimous. You need a new one of these -

http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/5466/flappertc8.jpg [Broken]


rofl.
 
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First make sure there is no water running through the overflow pipe. Any water flowing through the overflow from the tank goes into the bowl. This water will carry color and will defeat the purpose of the food coloring flapper test.

Usually "topping off" is caused by a leaking flapper. Overflow will cause the level of water in the bowl to increase without topping off. It is possible to have both problems. :eek:
 
  • #16
edward said:
Usually "topping off" is caused by a leaking flapper.
This was my first assumption. I reached in and cleaned the rim as best as I could. Then, as a test, I wrapped the flapper in saran wrap to make a better seal. It made no difference at all (which is strange. If it were going to do anything, I would have thought it would as likely make the problem worse, by interfering with the seal.)

The fact that the overflow is not behaving as it should leaves me to believe that the culprit lies there. The tank is filling too high. I will adjust the float.
 

1. Is clogged or slow-draining toilets a common plumbing issue?

Yes, clogged or slow-draining toilets are one of the most common plumbing issues. This can be caused by a variety of factors such as excess toilet paper, foreign objects, or a buildup of debris in the pipes.

2. Why is my toilet constantly running?

A constantly running toilet is a common plumbing issue and is typically caused by a faulty flapper or fill valve. These parts can wear out over time and prevent the toilet from properly filling and shutting off.

3. How can I fix a leaky toilet?

A leaky toilet is a common plumbing issue that can be caused by a worn out flapper, corroded flush valve, or loose connections. You can fix a leaky toilet by replacing the damaged parts or tightening any loose connections.

4. What should I do if my toilet won't flush?

If your toilet won't flush, it could be due to a clog in the drain or a problem with the toilet's flushing mechanism. You can try using a plunger or a toilet auger to clear any clogs, or you may need to replace the flushing mechanism if it is damaged.

5. How can I prevent future toilet plumbing issues?

To prevent common toilet plumbing issues, it is important to avoid flushing any non-flushable items down the toilet, regularly clean and maintain the toilet, and promptly fix any leaks or running water. It is also recommended to have a professional plumber regularly inspect and maintain your toilet to catch any potential issues before they become major problems.

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