Is General Relativity Exclusively a Macroscopic Theory?

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In summary, the conversation discusses the relationship between General Relativity and Quantum Mechanics and whether General Relativity should be considered a purely macroscopic theory. Some suggest that the two theories can be united by using a common mathematical language, while others argue that the Tower of Babel in Physics is hindering progress. Ultimately, it is acknowledged that both theories are necessary to fully understand the universe, but their significance may vary depending on the scale being observed.
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Several times I've listened to Brian Greene talk about string theory and say that General Relativity is a macroscopic theory but Quantum Mechanics is a microscopic theory. Do you think it could be otherwise?
I know that this is an accepted "dogma" that is often repeated by others but I wonder how far it really goes and maybe it is a line of thinking that leads one away from reconciling the two theories. How is it that microscopic particles must follow special relativity but not general relativity? What is mass? What is charge?
Dr. Mendel Sachs makes some good points in his writings such as QUANTUM MECHANICS FROM GENERAL RELATIVITY that perhaps General Relativity can be incorporated in microscopic physics once the two theories are speaking the same mathematical language. There are some similar ideas in the writings of Lasenby and Doran and others working with Geometric Algebra. Whether this unified theory should be written in the language of spinors, quaternions, clifford algebra, geometric calculus or some other dialect, (all of these are related) I don't like the tower of Babel that currently exists in Physics. Several researchers have pointed out similarities of Yang Mills theory and General Relativity in a clifford algebra form. Could the idea that General Relativity is ONLY a MACROSCOPIC theory be a red herring?
 
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No one is saying that GR is only a macroscopic theory, just that on the microscopic scale quantum effects become significant and also have to be taken into account.

Of course the macroscopic scope of GR becomes microscopic in the earliest stages of the Big Bang and so it then becomes imperative to have an integrated quantum gravity to find out what was going on, but that lies in the future.

Garth
 
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With respect, laserblue, it doesn't seem that you know enough about the "Tower of Babel" to seriously question its veracity. Keep learning.

As Garth said, gravitation still exists at the subatomic scale, but its effects are so insignificant that they cannot really be measured.

- Warren
 
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hiya,
well, subatomic is just OK to call the Quantum mechanics with, but you know quantum mechanics itself has a kind of macroscopic point of view not microscopic. that is because it talks about observables and thinks of what can be measured just like as any macroscopic point of view does care about but not microscopic point of views.
be careful of what you name macroscopic or microscopic, for they do not only contain the matter of scale but it is like to say every macroscopic has a microscopic and vice versa.

Mohammad
 

What is the difference between macroscopic and microscopic?

Macroscopic and microscopic refer to the scale at which something is observed or studied. Macroscopic refers to objects or phenomena that are large enough to be seen with the naked eye, while microscopic refers to objects or phenomena that are too small to be seen with the naked eye and require the use of a microscope for observation.

What is an example of a macroscopic object?

An example of a macroscopic object is a tree. It can be seen and observed without the use of any tools or equipment.

What is an example of a microscopic object?

An example of a microscopic object is a bacteria. It is too small to be seen with the naked eye and requires a microscope for observation.

How do macroscopic and microscopic observations differ?

Macroscopic observations involve using our senses to gather information about objects or phenomena that are visible to the naked eye. Microscopic observations, on the other hand, require the use of specialized equipment, such as microscopes, to gather information about objects or phenomena that are too small to be seen with the naked eye.

Why is it important to understand the difference between macroscopic and microscopic?

Understanding the difference between macroscopic and microscopic is important in many fields of science, such as biology, chemistry, and physics. It allows scientists to accurately observe and study objects and phenomena at different scales, leading to a better understanding of the natural world and the processes that govern it.

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