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Nov17-12, 05:04 PM   #18
 

Passive RC Filter Loading?


Quote by jim hardy View Post
Derive that function and at corner frequency, tabulate attenuation for various ratios of R1::R2... observe that if second R >> first 1/sc at corner freq, you're not too far off a properly buffered response.

Rule of thumb in analog days was keep it a decade away. Somebody said that earlier. ...
Yes, I did run the experiment again with the separated resistance and capacitance values. The experimental results showed a second order corner, but was marginally worse than the first order filter. I'm assuming this is because of poor component quality, but perhaps there is something else I am missing.

The theoretical response matched the buffered response almost perfectly, which I find very interesting.
 
Nov17-12, 06:00 PM   #19
 
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Thought I addressed this, perhaps not. The load is a high impedance ADC.
"high" as in "won't measurably load the preceding filter stage"? Then that's good!

Should I surmise that your green plots are of two identical stages, cascaded? Looks like you should now be able to come up with something satisfactory for filtering those high frequencies.
 
Nov17-12, 06:11 PM   #20
 
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"high" as in "won't measurably load the preceding filter stage"? Then that's good!
The ADC they use has an input impedance of greater than 10 GΩ, so I do not expect filter loading, although I would assume an active filter would entirely eliminate any concerns.

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Should I surmise that your green plots are of two identical stages, cascaded?
Yes, I suppose I did not explain this very well. The first order filter uses a nominally 0.1uF capacitor and a 3.3kΩ resistor. The second order filters used the same 0.1uF capacitors, but with a 2kΩ resistors. For the decade separation filter, the same 2kΩ resistor was used, but the second stages used a 20kΩ resistor with a 0.01uF capacitor. The models used the measured values for resistance and capacitance.

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Looks like you should now be able to come up with something satisfactory for filtering those high frequencies.
Now that you mention it, there is probably a nice IC containing higher order filters, right? Looks like Maxim makes a few. Can anyone recommend any IC's to accomplish this? I'm fine with passive resistors, but if there's a nice filter out there that already exists, why reinvent the wheel.
 
Nov17-12, 08:39 PM   #21
 
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The ADC they use has an input impedance of greater than 10 GΩ, so I do not expect filter loading, although I would assume an active filter would entirely eliminate any concerns.
10GΩ is fine. You could easily scale up to be 1:100 as I suggested.
Yes, I suppose I did not explain this very well. The first order filter uses a nominally 0.1uF capacitor and a 3.3kΩ resistor. The second order filters used the same 0.1uF capacitors, but with a 2kΩ resistors. For the decade separation filter, the same 2kΩ resistor was used, but the second stages used a 20kΩ resistor with a 0.01uF capacitor.
With the first resistor just 3.3kΩ, then you need to consider the impedance of whatever is driving this, because its impedance (hopefully resistance) becomes part of the first R in your filter calculations. So the input to the filter comes directly from the thermocouple? Do you know what typical impedance the manufacturer quotes that to be?
 
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