Isomorphic groups that have different properties?

In summary, when looking at isomorphic groups, the main differences lie in the labeling of elements and operations. This can sometimes be subtle, such as with cyclic groups where a generator may not be immediately clear. In some cases, there may not even be a natural way to choose an isomorphism between groups. For example, in the group of units in the ring Z/p, there can be many generators with no one naturally distinguished. Therefore, different names are just different ways of labeling the same elements and operations.
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What are some properties apart from the actual names of the elements that differ between isomorphic groups?
 
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What are some properties apart from the actual names of the elements that differ between isomorphic groups?

Your question actually is - what, in general, are the differences between different groups?

Elements and the defined binary operation.
 
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that's pretty much it. Two isomorphic groups (or fields or... pretty much anything isomorphic) differ only in the "labeling": what you name the elements and operations.
 
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in practice it is sometimes a little more subtle than it seems.

e.g. we usually give a cyclic group in the form (Z/n,+) but may not notice that this gives not only the group but also a distinguished generator, namely 1.

the group( (Z/p)*, .) of units in the ring Z/p is also cyclic when p is a prime, but it may not be immediately clear what a generator is. moreover since there are many generators, (Z/p)* and no one is naturally distinguished, there is no completely natural way to choose an isomorphism between the groups (Z/p)* and Z/(p-1).

i.e. in a sense, ({1,2,3,...,p-1}, . ) are just different names for ({0,1,2,...,p-2},+) but it is not clear which new nAME CORRESPONDS TO WHICH OLD NAME.

e.g. when p = 7, (Z/7)* is isomorphic to Z/6, and the least generator is 3, perhaps it is natural to associate n with 3^n, for n=0,...,5, but I am not sure this generator is always best.
 

1. What are isomorphic groups?

Isomorphic groups are mathematical structures that have the same structure and properties, even though they may appear different. This means that they have the same number of elements, the same operations, and the same relationships between elements.

2. Can isomorphic groups have different properties?

Yes, isomorphic groups can have different properties. While they have the same structure, they can have different properties such as commutativity, associativity, and identity elements. These differences in properties can affect the behavior and outcomes of operations within the group.

3. How can we determine if two groups are isomorphic?

To determine if two groups are isomorphic, we can use the concept of a group isomorphism. This is a function that maps elements from one group to the other, preserving the group structure and properties. If such a function exists between the two groups, then they are isomorphic.

4. What are some examples of isomorphic groups with different properties?

A well-known example is the groups of integers under addition and the groups of even integers under addition. These two groups have the same structure and are therefore isomorphic, but they have different properties - the group of integers is commutative, while the group of even integers is not.

5. How are isomorphic groups useful in mathematics and science?

Isomorphic groups are useful because they allow us to study and understand different mathematical structures by relating them to each other. This can help us identify patterns and connections between seemingly unrelated concepts. Additionally, isomorphic groups can be used to simplify complex problems by breaking them down into more manageable and familiar structures.

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