: PM Generator in Reverse

In summary, the discussion is about the configuration of a permanent magnet generator to drive a turbine's compressor stage with the same power as when it is being driven by the turbine. The question is how to change the generator to a motor that can supply the same output power. It is mentioned that generators with permanent magnet rotors work well as dynamos but not as motors, and would require some way of commutating the stator current. Possible solutions are using a Hall Effect sensor or a stator coil induced voltage sensor to commutate the stator current.
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URGENT: PM Generator in Reverse

If you have a permanent magnet generator being driven by a turbine and the generator outputs some power level, how would the configuration of a generator change if it is suppose to drive a turbine's compressor stage with the same power?

I think the meaning is how would one change the generator to a motor that supplies the same output power.

I just don't understand applying electrical power to the stator would make a PM rotor move.

Any details would be appreciated.
 
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"Generators" with permanent magnet (PM) rotors run well as dynamos but not as motors. The dynamo would require some way of commutating (reversing) the stator current depending on the rotor angle. This is done in BLDC (brushles dc) motors that either have a Hall Effect sensor, or use a stator coil induced voltage (from rotor) sensor to commutate the stator current.
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I would like to clarify that a permanent magnet generator (PMG) and a permanent magnet motor (PMM) are two different devices. A PMG converts mechanical energy into electrical energy, while a PMM converts electrical energy into mechanical energy. Therefore, the configuration of a PMG cannot be changed to drive a turbine's compressor stage with the same power, as it is not designed for that purpose.

In order to drive a turbine's compressor stage with the same power, a PMM would need to be used. This would involve changing the stator and rotor design, as well as the control system, to allow for the conversion of electrical energy into mechanical energy. Applying electrical power to the stator of a PMM would create a rotating magnetic field, which would interact with the permanent magnets on the rotor and cause it to rotate. This rotation would then drive the turbine's compressor stage.

It is important to note that the efficiency and power output of a PMM may differ from that of a PMG, as they are designed for different purposes. Therefore, it is crucial to carefully consider the specific requirements and limitations of the application before making any changes or modifications to the device.

I hope this clarifies the difference between a PMG and a PMM and provides some insight into the changes that would be necessary to convert a PMG into a PMM for the purpose of driving a turbine's compressor stage. If you require further details or have any other questions, please do not hesitate to ask.
 

What is a PM Generator in Reverse?

A PM Generator in Reverse is a type of electric generator that converts mechanical energy into electrical energy. Unlike traditional generators, which use a fuel source to create mechanical energy, a PM Generator in Reverse uses a permanent magnet to generate electricity.

How does a PM Generator in Reverse work?

A PM Generator in Reverse works by rotating a permanent magnet within a wire coil. As the magnet moves, it creates a changing magnetic field, which induces a current in the wire coil. This current is then converted into usable electricity.

What are the benefits of a PM Generator in Reverse?

One of the main benefits of a PM Generator in Reverse is its efficiency. Since it does not require a fuel source to create mechanical energy, it can generate electricity with minimal energy loss. Additionally, PM Generator in Reverse systems are often smaller and lighter than traditional generators, making them ideal for portable or remote applications.

What are the potential applications of a PM Generator in Reverse?

PM Generators in Reverse have a wide range of potential applications, including wind turbines, hydroelectric power plants, and even in vehicles such as electric cars. They can also be used in more compact devices, such as hand-cranked flashlights or radio receivers.

Are there any limitations or drawbacks to using a PM Generator in Reverse?

One limitation of PM Generators in Reverse is that they require a consistent rotation speed to generate electricity. This can be challenging to maintain in certain applications, such as wind turbines where wind speeds can vary. Additionally, PM Generators in Reverse may be more expensive upfront compared to traditional generators, but their efficiency and long-term cost savings may outweigh this initial cost.

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