I violate law of energy conservation

In summary, the conversation discusses the concept of perpetual motion using a helium balloon. The balloon is pumped at a ground station and caught at a deflating station at a certain height, gaining potential energy as it falls. However, the energy required for pumping and deflating the balloon cancels out the energy gained from its motion. Suggestions are made for alternative methods, but ultimately the concept is deemed impossible and not allowed for discussion on the forum.
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atom888
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Let's say we have a helium balloon carrying total weight of 1 kg.
We set up 2 stations. Pumping station on the ground and deflating station at certain height.
We pump the balloon until it start to float up. We catch it at deflating station at height H.
Now the energy we gain is potential energy of the falling balloon which is mGH.
The energy require for pumping and deflating a balloon is set! If any.
The height H can stretch as high as you want to! => mGH is a linear increasing function.
 
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  • #2
Cool -- perpetual motion finally!

But seriously, if this is a closed cycle that runs continuously, how do you get the helium back down to the ground to keep refilling the balloon...? Pump it, right? And the energy you could get out of the balloon motion gets used up (plus more) in the helium pumping.

Oh well, still no perpetual motion.
 
  • #3
Well, there's no problem in getting the helium back down. Just make a sealed tube that contain air lighter than helium and let gravity do the work. Yeah, still the sticky point is the pumping the balloon part. I suspect the energy require to pump the balloon is theoratically exact as the maximum height the balloon would reach. Oh well, I'll find another way to break that law.
 
  • #4
atom888 said:
Oh well, I'll find another way to break that law.
Your time really would be better spent on another pursuit. Right now, you're playing a lottery with no jackpot!
 
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1. What is the law of energy conservation?

The law of energy conservation, also known as the first law of thermodynamics, states that energy cannot be created or destroyed, only transferred or converted from one form to another.

2. How can someone violate the law of energy conservation?

One can violate the law of energy conservation by creating or destroying energy. This can happen through actions such as perpetual motion machines or by using energy sources that are not sustainable.

3. What are the consequences of violating the law of energy conservation?

If the law of energy conservation is violated, it would contradict our current understanding of the physical world and could potentially lead to unexpected and chaotic consequences.

4. Is it possible to violate the law of energy conservation?

No, it is not possible to violate the law of energy conservation. It has been proven through numerous experiments and observations and is a fundamental principle in science.

5. How does the law of energy conservation impact our daily lives?

The law of energy conservation is crucial in understanding and predicting how energy is used and transferred in our daily lives. It helps us make informed decisions about energy usage and conservation and plays a significant role in many technologies and industries.

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