Which is worse: Cigars or Cigarettes

[Danger]

I started 35 years ago. It was just something to do, and socially acceptable. There was even a 20 x 50 foot designated smoking area just outside the back door at school, with 45-gallon ashcans, to keep butts out of the parking lot.

 

[whitay]

The legislation for banning smoking in pubs, clubs, etc. Is utter carp, it's a statement which says "We're going to take away your personal choice". Think about it, you choose to be in a pub or club, you choose to drink. Yet others cannot choose to smoke there.

 

[TheNaturalStep]

as i have heard cigarettes are worse

 

[delirium]

actually this is offtopic , but i don't want to create new topic .
so , kk cigaretes r bad , but they r also good in a way .
i'm addicted to cigateres and i smoke 10 cigaretes a day , but i smoke em not because of the pleause , but because without em i won't be able to be "online" for 18 hours a day , may be that's the main reason , why i smoke - i need to stay awake :) .

 

[larkspur]

The legislation for banning smoking in pubs, clubs, etc. Is utter carp, it's a statement which says "We're going to take away your personal choice". Think about it, you choose to be in a pub or club, you choose to drink. Yet others cannot choose to smoke there.

Smokers take away my personal choice to be in a club or pub. I have asthma and smoke is my #1 trigger for an attack. Being around drinking does not cut off my air supply. I love to go to a small club to see a band play but cannot due to the smoke.
My father(a smoker) told himself all the lies that smokers tell themselves but in the end he found out he, not the public health officials, was the liar as he slowly and miserably died from suffocation(emphysema).

 

[Office_Shredder]

Smokers take away my personal choice to be in a club or pub. I have asthma and smoke is my #1 trigger for an attack. Being around drinking does not cut off my air supply. I love to go to a small club to see a band play but cannot due to the smoke.

That means you have a terrible doctor managing your asthma. I'm asthmatic to the point where being in a dusty room finishes me for the day if I'm not on medicine, and have only had one attack in the past year, and it was very mild and didn't actually prevent me from jogging back home (so I don't know if you can call it an attack, so much as a bit of trouble for a couple of minutes). If you're not seeing a specialist, go see one, it will free your life up.

My father(a smoker) told himself all the lies that smokers tell themselves but in the end he found out he, not the public health officials, was the liar as he slowly and miserably died from suffocation(emphysema).

While it's a sad tale surely, are you suggesting we ban people from doing things they only do because they lie to themselves (is the impression I get)?

 

[JasonRox]

How the hell do you know I am younger. I could easilly be in my early 130's for all you know.

Hey, do you like the deftones?

You're acting like a fool, so I would guess young too.

Sure older people are fools too, but not normally this foolish.

 

[radou]

It's all about the false image of ourselves. Smoking is all due to the uncountable number of (stupid) movies where the 'hot shots' smoke. And they really do look cool with the cigarettes in their mouths. Nowdays no heroes smoke in movies. But they did. An it left an impression. It became part of an entire culture. We can deny it, but it is so. At least in my case. And in the case of many other people. It's an image which was created, and it left a deep scar.

But it seems people are becoming aware, finally.

The worse part is that I smoke, too. Not much (I can't smoke in my home, because my parents and sister are non smokers, and that's actually great!), but I smoke.

 

[brewnog]

The legislation for banning smoking in pubs, clubs, etc. Is utter carp, it's a statement which says "We're going to take away your personal choice". Think about it, you choose to be in a pub or club, you choose to drink. Yet others cannot choose to smoke there.

When I'm in a pub, my drinking does not affect the health of the person on the next table. That's the difference. I enjoy going to pubs, clubs, gigs. Why should I have my night ruined by an inconsiderate smoker, who could go outside to feed his habit?

 

[larkspur]

That means you have a terrible doctor managing your asthma. I'm asthmatic to the point where being in a dusty room finishes me for the day if I'm not on medicine, and have only had one attack in the past year, and it was very mild and didn't actually prevent me from jogging back home (so I don't know if you can call it an attack, so much as a bit of trouble for a couple of minutes). If you're not seeing a specialist, go see one, it will free your life up.

The only thing left for me to do medically is to go on oral prednisone. I am not willing to do that. I'll just stay away from smokers as much as possible.

While it's a sad tale surely, are you suggesting we ban people from doing things they only do because they lie to themselves (is the impression I get)?

No. I am suggesting that smokers are so addicted they talk themselves into believing is it not harming them. If you smoke and are convinced it is not going to harm you , visit a pulmonologist and ask them if you are correct.

I am constantly amazed at the intelligent young people on this board that smoke. The tobacco companies are doing something right aren't they?

 

[verty]

Larkspur, what steroid are you on?

 

[larkspur]

Larkspur, what steroid are you on?

Flovent inhaler

 

[siddharth]

That means you have a terrible doctor managing your asthma.

No, I don't think that's true. Smoke may be a major trigger no matter how asthma is managed.

See
http://www.bbc.co.uk/health/conditions/asthma/commontriggers_index.shtml

The legislation for banning smoking in pubs, clubs, etc. Is utter carp, it's a statement which says "We're going to take away your personal choice". Think about it, you choose to be in a pub or club, you choose to drink. Yet others cannot choose to smoke there.

So, do I have a personal choice to go about spraying cans of carbon monoxide, cyanide and carcinogens in my neighborhood? I'd probably get arrested doing that.

 

[NoTime]

So, do I have a personal choice to go about spraying cans of carbon monoxide, cyanide and carcinogens in my neighborhood? I'd probably get arrested doing that.

If your talking about your car.
You'll only get arrested for speeding, running stop signs and the like.
Apparenly no one cares that it's spraying all these things around :uhh:

 

[siddharth]

If your talking about your car.
You'll only get arrested for speeding, running stop signs and the like.
Apparenly no one cares that it's spraying all these things around :uhh:

Actually, I was talking about cigarettes. Carbon Monoxide, cyanide and carcinogens are some of the components of cigarette smoke.

 

[Anttech]

The legislation for banning smoking in pubs, clubs, etc. Is utter carp, it's a statement which says "We're going to take away your personal choice". Think about it, you choose to be in a pub or club, you choose to drink. Yet others cannot choose to smoke there.

Im a smoker, and I agree with the legislation. If I want to slowly kill myself, then that's fair enough, but I shouldn't be doing that in front of other people. Nor should I subject them to breath my smoke. This argument is subjective however, the argument for the increased economic benefits to banning smoking is NOT subjective. The banning of smoking in public spaces, decreases the amount of smokers, and thus the health bill smokers cost society.

http://society.guardian.co.uk/publichealth/story/0,,1270896,00.html
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3930129.stm

 

[NoTime]

Actually, I was talking about cigarettes. Carbon Monoxide, cyanide and carcinogens are some of the components of cigarette smoke.

Cars produce carbon monoxide.
If you're in a closed garage with the engine running you'll be dead in 20 minutes or so. Catalytic converter or not.
Carcinogens, how about MTBA a component of auto fuel?
Now ubiquitous throughout the environment.
You get some in all the food you eat and water you drink, no matter where you live.
There are lots of other things going on here as well, like PM10.

Studies involving 40,000 to 50,000 people can't show an effect of secondhand smoke greater than the error bars of the study.
I just can't find it in me to share your concern.

The thing is that if they had spent the billions of dollars, used on trying to persuade people to stop smoking, on basic biochemical research, you might now have real cures for cancer, heart disease or just getting old. :grumpy:

 

[Loren Booda]

If you can smell someone's tobacco smoke a half mile down the highway, just think of what it's doing to the smoker's lungs!

I think it pompous and rude for people to smoke (especially cigars) in an enclosed area with other patrons. How many people would actually be smoking, in light of its extreme hazards, if it were not addicting?

 

[daveb]

Not to mention the fact that tobacco is radioactive and delivers a healthy dose of alpha radiation from the Po-210 and Pb-210 to the lungs over time.

 

[NoTime]

I think people are missing my point.
I'm complaining about the narrow focus.
This whole business strikes me as whining about the person who spilled their drink on you while the tsunami is crashing down.

Here is something to think about
http://www.sciencenews.org/articles/20060819/fob3.asp

I can for sure smell that diesel truck a half mile ahead of me, can't say the same for a smoker.

If a coal fired power plant had to conform to the same radiation requirements as a nuclear power plant they would all get shut down.

 

[verty]

Not to mention the fact that tobacco is radioactive and delivers a healthy dose of alpha radiation from the Po-210 and Pb-210 to the lungs over time.

Isn't tobacco a plant? How does it become radioactive?

 

[DaveC426913]

Isn't tobacco a plant? How does it become radioactive?

I'm not about to add credence to http://www.cannabisculture.com/news/tobacco/" , but you should realize that radioactivity is a normal prcoess that organisms can pick up from selectively ingesting the contents of their surroundings. In fact, radio carbon dating is exists because of the preferential uptake of slightly radioactive carbon (it doesn't mean it glows, it means the particles decay over weeks, years, centuries). Likewise, your basement might be slightly radioactive because the ground around you tends to leak radon gas.


"To grow what the tobacco industry calls "more flavorful" tobacco, US farmers use high-phosphate fertilizers. The phosphate is taken from a rock mineral, apatite, that is ground into powder, dissolved in acid and further processed. Apatite rock also contains radium, and the radioactive elements lead 210 and polonium 210. "

 

[Loren Booda]

Radon inhalation is the second greatest source of lung cancer, next to cigarettes. It is present in many basements.