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| Nov16-12, 09:28 AM | #1 |
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Implicit Hyperbolic Function
Hi all,
In studying the eigenvalues of certain tri-diagonal matrices I have encountered a problem of the following form: {(1+a/x)*2x*sinh[n*arcsinh(x/2)] - 2a*cosh[(n-1)*arcsinh(x/2)]} = 0 where a and n are constants. I'm looking to find n complex roots to this problem, but isolating x is troublesome. I attempted to use the implicit derivatives to obtain an expression for x in terms of a and n but it didn't lead me anywhere. Is there a general approach to finding the roots of equations of this type? If not, can one find any general properties of the roots, e.g. if they belong to a certain half-plane etc. The problem may be simplified somewhat if we choose a=-2 and try to find x as a function of n but even here the roots are hard to find. Any advice would be much appreciated. Thank you. |
| Nov16-12, 03:35 PM | #2 |
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hi ekkilop!
![]() have you tried simplifying it by putting x = 2sinhy (and maybe a = 2b) ? |
| Nov17-12, 02:00 PM | #3 |
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Hi tiny-tim,
Thanks for your reply. I did try this and it cleans things up a bit. In particular it becomes clear that a=-2 is a convenient choice since we get 0 = (4+2a)sinh(n*y)sinh(y) + 2a[sinh(n*y) - cosh(n*y)cosh(y)] after expanding cosh((n-1)y). However, it is not clear to me how to proceed from here. Is there perhaps some other substitution that would make life easier? Or maybe there's a standard form to rewrite sinh(n*y) and cosh(n*y). My attempts from here just seems to make things more complicated... |
| Nov17-12, 06:29 PM | #4 |
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Implicit Hyperbolic Function
hi ekkilop!
![]() and get tanh(ny) = a function of tanh(y) and sech(y) |
| Nov19-12, 02:27 PM | #5 |
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This is not a bad idea. All in all I can boil things down to
tanh(ny) = cosh(y) which has the expected roots (found numerically). Solving for n is straight forward but inverting seems impossible, at least in terms of standard functions. If n is a positive integer, what can be said about y? Thank you for all your help! |
| Nov19-12, 02:32 PM | #6 |
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i don't think we can go any further than that
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| Nov19-12, 02:52 PM | #7 |
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You should be able to write down a polynomial for the case ##a \neq -2## as well, but I'm not sure how helpful that will ultimately be, as you will have to vary both a and n. |
| Nov21-12, 12:51 PM | #8 |
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Hi Mute!
Thanks for your reply. The problem is actually a result of a polynomial of degree n, which has been rewritten in it's present form. The coefficients of all n+1 terms are non-zero integers dependent on a, except for the leading term. I could probably do a more thorough analysis on the bounds of the solutions though, so thank you for the inspiration! |
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