Zeppelins and Plasma Aerodynamics

In summary, the conversation discusses the potential use of plasma aerodynamics and electric propulsion in airships, such as blimps and zeppelins, for improved speed and performance. The use of advanced materials, including graphene, and the possibility of incorporating magnetic fields for propulsion are also mentioned. The conversation also explores the feasibility of using these airships for exploration missions on other planets and the potential use of hydrogen as a lifting gas. Finally, the possibility of using electric propulsion in aircraft is discussed.
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So it's been known for awhile now that a blunt body passing through a plasma medium will experience reduced aerodynamic drag, and furthermore electrically active control surfaces can have an enhanced effect in plasma compared to conventional control surfaces, exerting greater control across the boundary layer.

Well to me, among the oldest and bluntest aerial vehicles would be airships, like blimps and zeppelins. I'm imagining that plasma aerodynamics could benefit these old obsolete craft a lot, beyond just the benefits for futuristic high-mach designs such as hypersonic vehicles.

Just as a thought exercise, I'm wondering if it would be possible to design a blimp or zeppelin that would be able to make use of plasma aerodynamics to achieve greater speed and performance.

Suppose the skin of the blimp or zeppelin was made of some advanced materials, including perhaps a graphene-impregnated polymer with high conductivity. Since graphene is also highly impermeable to gas molecules, there could be an additional benefit of reducing loss of lifting gas from the envelope. Could it be possible to use a conductive skin to project an electric field around the airship, to ionize the airflow around it? Furthermore, what if our airship had a needle-nose or a leading telescoping probe extending far ahead of it, which would produce an arc-discharge at its tip to ionize the air in advance? I've also read that a counterflow plasma jet that is projected in the forward direction against the flow can also greatly increase the level of ionization in a flowstream.

Could it be further possible to exploit the airship's large surface area to generate a magnetohydrodynamic flow around it for propulsion purposes? If our design was a zeppelin or some kind of hybrid semi-rigid hull, could we incorporate some kind of large magnetic coil shape into its superstructure which would create a propulsive flow?
Would it be possible to use both electric and magnetic fields together, to create an enveloping propulsive flowstream with reduced friction and turbulence?
One advantage of this could be quiet propulsion with low noise pollution. Another advantage would be the absence of moving parts, to avoid this as a failure point as well as the associated maintenance requirements. At the same time, such a propulsion mechanism could easily facilitate vectored thrust for improved stability and handling characteristics, which are particularly important near the ground.

I'd read that lighter-than-air vehicles are being considered for revival, with companies like Aeros, SkyCat, and even Boeing and Lockheed-Martin having produced experimental prototypes for evaluation. They of course use conventional propellers for propulsion.

http://mutateweb.com/archives/2008/05/12/hybrid-airships-being-tested-by-lockheed-martin-darpa/
http://www.worldskycat.com/skycat/data.html
http://www.worldskycat.com/skycat/features.html
http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/generic/story_generic.jsp?channel=awst&id=news/020606p2.xml
http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/generic/story.jsp?id=news/AIRSHIP07088.xml&headline=Boeing,%20Skyhook%20Team%20On%20Heavy-Lift%20Airship&channel=comm
http://www.dynalifter.com/Dynaliftercom/Concept.htm
http://www.aeroscraft.com/Perhaps future exploration missions to Venus or even Mars could utilize such steerable craft for studying these planets and their atmosphere. In those cases, perhaps even a lifting gas such as hydrogen could be used.

But even just here on Earth, could this concept be feasible? Where would the main technical problems and challenges be with it?
 
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Perhaps future exploration missions to Venus or even Mars could utilize such steerable craft for studying these planets and their atmosphere. In those cases, perhaps even a lifting gas such as hydrogen could be used.

But even just here on Earth, could this concept be feasible? Where would the main technical problems and challenges be with it?
In what way are you thinking they could be used for future explanations to other planets, do you mean for them to be used to travel through space, or do you mean for use in exploring other planets?

Is it even possible to maintain the pressure needed to survive in an "airship" in space? Isn't there some kind of buoyancy issue?

Also, hydrogen seems a little dangerous to use as a lifting gas. ;)

Sorry if some of what I've said here makes little or no sense, I'm pretty new to all this. :D
 
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I meant as atmospheric craft traveling through the atmospheres of other planets, and perhaps even of Moons like Titan and Europa. Hydrogen is risky in a reactive atmosphere, like our oxygen one here on Earth, but that doesn't have to be the case for atmospheres on other worlds. Certainly I think Mars would be safe for hydrogen, especially with its low temperatures.

The thing is that when electric propulsion for aircraft is occasionally discussed, it's mainly regarding electric propeller-driven aircraft. I'm imagining that ion-wind and MHD could be useful, provided a suitable electric power source is available. That might be possible with hydrogen fuel cells or a small nuclear reactor.

I'm just wondering why we can't consider these propulsion mechanisms for electric aviation. Electric automobiles have been ridiculed for a long time now, because of their limited performance capabilities in relation to conventional automobiles, but newer technologies are gradually spanning the gap. I expect the same thing could be the case for electric aeropropulsion.
 

1. What is a zeppelin?

A zeppelin is a type of rigid airship that was first developed in the late 19th century by Ferdinand von Zeppelin. It is typically characterized by a long, cylindrical shape with a rigid framework covered in a fabric skin.

2. How do zeppelins stay in the air?

Zeppelins stay in the air through the use of buoyancy and aerodynamics. The gas inside the zeppelin, usually helium or hydrogen, is less dense than the surrounding air, allowing it to float. The shape of the zeppelin also helps to create lift, similar to the way an airplane wing works.

3. What is plasma aerodynamics?

Plasma aerodynamics is the study of how plasma, a high-energy state of matter, affects the motion of objects in the air. Plasma is a highly conductive and energetic gas that can interact with an object's electric and magnetic fields, causing changes in its aerodynamic properties.

4. How does plasma affect zeppelin flight?

Plasma can affect zeppelin flight in several ways. It can generate electric fields on the surface of the zeppelin, which can interact with the surrounding air and alter its flow. This can lead to changes in the zeppelin's lift, drag, and stability. Plasma can also be used to control the shape of the zeppelin, allowing for more efficient flight.

5. What are the potential applications of plasma aerodynamics in zeppelins?

The use of plasma aerodynamics in zeppelins has the potential to improve their flight performance, efficiency, and safety. It can also enable new capabilities, such as the ability to change shape mid-flight or to generate electricity from the surrounding air. Additionally, plasma aerodynamics can be used for anti-icing and de-icing of zeppelins, making them more suitable for operation in cold climates.

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