Can Quantum Physics and Poetry Coexist in Understanding Reality?

Que mais é que tu não entendes em fisica quântica? In summary, the speaker is a student of Writing and Literature who has a fascination for quantum physics and astrophysics. They see similarities between the effects of quantum physics and surrealist poetry, and are interested in the ideas of mathematical beauty in physics. They are seeking help and resources for writing a literary essay on the subject.
  • #1
antoniopedro
Greetings to everyone.

I am currently a student of Writing and Literature and an absolute ignorant in anything related to Physics. However, as a possible consequence of having too much free time, I find it amusing to watch documentaries and reading randomly on the subjects of quantum physics and astrophysics. Thinking about the radical counter-intuitive implications they bring on the understanding of reality - as well as of ontology and metaphysics - is to me a very entertaining and curiously comforting exercise. This kind of "displacement" that quantum physics causes on me seems similar to the effect I get from the reading of some kinds of poetry - the greatest example being the work of the surrealist Portuguese poet Mário Cesariny. I'll try to explain this briefly: in surrealist poetry as in quantum physics, I do not understand the majority of what I read or see, but for some reason(s) I am left with instruments, with keys, that allow me to think the world in an otherwise inaccessible way - some sort of indirect paths to little epiphanies. The curious thing about all this is the fact that I can (as obviously anyone can) experience aesthetically something I don't understand at all. This said, I am obviously interested in the ideas of mathematical beauty of physicists such as Paul Dirac. Etc, etc.

In addition, I find the art of the theoretical physicist somehow comparable to that of the poet, as they both try to translate the invisible. And so on.

So: I have to write a (literary) essay and I thought it would be pleasurable for me to write on this (very subjective) "subject". I am very disoriented - I still don't know exactly what I want to talk about or if, at all, the essay may turn out to be anything coherent or real. I came here to ask if anyone can help me with books or articles or essays or even personal accounts that may give me ideas or some sort of enlightenment to my task. Random questions: can you describe the aesthetic side of the experience of having read for the first time a paper on string theory? Does the aesthetics play part in your interest (I suppose, for many of you, academic and professional) for quantum physics?

I am sorry for any mistake I may have made - I am not an English native speaker and I feel I did not express myself clearly. And I am sorry if the odd nature of this thread makes it undesirable here. I totally understand if you feel the need to delete this. Finally, if you think this doesn't make any sense at all, please tell me: it will be a great help and I will think of something else to write about.
 
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  • #2
If it were up to me, I wouldn't delete your post; most definitely not.

Here is an online article that I read some years ago. It's definitely got surreal implications, and I think most will find it absolutely fascinating. Anyhow, here it is: http://discovermagazine.com/2010/apr/01-back-from-the-future
 
  • #3
antoniopedro said:
This said, I am obviously interested in the ideas of mathematical beauty of physicists such as Paul Dirac.
"In science one tries to tell people, in such a way as to be understood by everyone, something that no one ever knew before. But in poetry, it's the exact opposite."
Paul Dirac
 
  • #4
Do you have any of your poetry online?
 
  • #5
jaketodd said:
Do you have any of your poetry online?

Even if I had, it wouldn't be of much use since it is all written in Portuguese.

Anyway, thank you very much for the article you posted, it sure gave me some ideas.
 
  • #6
Hmmm, Quantum poetry.

To be, and not to be...
 
  • #7
antoniopedro said:
...thank you very much for the article you posted, it sure gave me some ideas.

You're very welcome. :)
 
  • #8
antoniopedro said:
So: I have to write a (literary) essay and I thought it would be pleasurable for me to write on this (very subjective) "subject". I am very disoriented - I still don't know exactly what I want to talk about or if, at all, the essay may turn out to be anything coherent or real.
:bugeye:
You should write an essay that shows how quantum physics is not at all subjective.
 
  • #9
Ivan Seeking said:
Hmmm, Quantum poetry.

To be, and not to be...
I think it is misunderstanding of quantum mechanics. The correct poetry would be

To be plus not to be ...
 
  • #10
I'm sorry to the others, but this is going in portuguese.

Olá antoniopedro, eu sou um estudante de mestrado em fisica teórica e apesar de nos moldarem o pensamento para um pensamento lógico e rectilineo não posso deixar de compartilhar essa admiração e espanto pela beleza constrangedora da fisica moderna. Mais do que aquilo que poderá ver-se nos documentários, a fisica moderna nos seus meandros mais obscuros é de uma beleza impressionante e que nos deixa a questão de como pode ela funcionar tão bem. A fisica quântica é um dos temas mais constrangedores, e a tentativa de a unir com a relatividade, que chamamos teoria quântica de campos, é ainda mais misteriosa, por detrás de uma quantidade enorme de conceitos e métodos matemáticos que tornam impossivel extrair alguma verdade mais metafisica. Eu acho que na fisica moderna a ideia da beleza matemática, juntamente com a ideia da beleza pela simplicidade na explicação de fenómenos complexos, e a ideia de unificação dos fenómenos fisicos numa mesma e única perspectiva, é tão importante para quem faz fisica teórica como qualquer outro detalhe matemático.
A teoria das cordas é uma teoria quântica de campos, daí a sua complexidade e o seu carácter quase puramente matemático. Esta é também um dos grandes mistérios, pelo menos para um fisico: a ideia que algo como a matemática, nascida da pura abstração da realidade, pode ser usada para descrever a realidade ela mesma é uma ideia absurda só por si.
 
  • #11
Demystifier said:
I think it is misunderstanding of quantum mechanics. The correct poetry would be

To be plus not to be ...

... there is of course the odd chance that you missunderstood poetry; being correct is not necessarily one of it's specifications if it sounds better in another version :tongue:
 
  • #13
^ does not mix.
 
  • #14
Zarqon said:
... there is of course the odd chance that you missunderstood poetry; being correct is not necessarily one of it's specifications if it sounds better in another version :tongue:

Reminds me of that song that goes "I'd rather be happy than right..."
 
  • #15
This is the closest quantum poetry in English I've come across:

You put your right hand in,
You put your right hand out,
You put your right hand in,
And you shake it all about,

You do the hokey pokey
and you turn yourself around
That what it's all about.

2) left hand
3) right foot
4) left foot
5) head
6) butt
7) whole self
 

1. What is the connection between Quantum Physics and Poetry?

The connection between Quantum Physics and Poetry is a complex and ongoing topic of discussion. Some scientists and poets believe that both fields explore the fundamental nature of reality and consciousness. Others see a connection in the way both disciplines use language and metaphor to describe abstract concepts. Additionally, some poets have drawn inspiration from the strange and counterintuitive world of quantum mechanics.

2. Can Quantum Physics explain the creative process of writing poetry?

While there is no definitive answer, some scientists have proposed that the unpredictable and non-linear nature of quantum mechanics can provide insight into the creative process of writing poetry. The concept of quantum entanglement, where particles can influence each other instantaneously regardless of distance, has been compared to the interconnectedness and influence of thoughts and ideas in the mind of a poet.

3. Are there any examples of poetry that directly reference Quantum Physics?

Yes, there are several examples of poetry that reference or explore concepts from Quantum Physics. One famous example is T.S. Eliot's "The Love Song of J. Alfred Prufrock," which includes the line "Do I dare / Disturb the universe?" This line has been interpreted as a reference to the uncertainty principle in quantum mechanics, which states that the act of observing something can alter its behavior.

4. How has Quantum Physics influenced the literary world?

Quantum Physics has had a significant impact on the literary world, particularly in the genre of science fiction. Many science fiction writers have used concepts from quantum mechanics to create imaginative and thought-provoking stories. Additionally, the use of metaphors and language inspired by quantum physics has become increasingly popular in contemporary poetry.

5. Can poetry help to make complex concepts in Quantum Physics more accessible?

Some scientists and educators believe that poetry can be a powerful tool for making complex concepts in Quantum Physics more accessible to a wider audience. By using metaphor and imagery, poets can help to bridge the gap between abstract scientific concepts and everyday understanding. Additionally, the use of poetry can inspire curiosity and interest in the subject, making it more engaging and relatable to non-scientists.

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