Flat wire in generator winding

In summary, the conversation discusses the use of copper windings on generators and the efficiency of using flat wire instead of round wire. Magnetism penetrates copper at low frequencies and can generate eddy currents, leading to heat dissipation. The orientation of the flat surfaces of the conductor is important for optimal performance. The skin depth in copper is about 8 mm at 60 Hz and varies with frequency. The long dimension of rectangular copper conductors should be parallel to the magnetic field for best results.
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Hello all, I have a simple question about copper windings on generators.

From what I have read, magnetism only penetrates the skin of a copper wire by very little.
Dosnt this mean that most of the copper in a winding is wasted ?

And wouldn't it be more efficient to use flat wire "-" instead of round "o" ?
 
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Magnetism completely penetrates copper at dc or very low frequencies. At ac frequencies, the penetration depth is called the skin depth. There are two situations where the copper dimensions are important. 1) For current being carried in copper conductor, the ac current tends to be carried on the surface, limited to the skin depth, so sometimes rectangular wire is perferred (but also for packing efficiency and mechanical considerations). Hollow water-cooled copper conductor is always square or rectangular. 2) Eddy currents can be generated (and dissipated) in copper wires exposed to ac magnetic fields. this leads to heat dissipation that has to be removed. The orientation of the flat surfaces of the conductor relative to the magnetic field direction is important.
Bob S
 
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Thanks for reply!

Was thinking in terms of 3 phase AC, don't know if "frequency" would be considered to be DC. 50-200Hz ?

When you say "orientation", I am assuming that the "plane side" of flat wire is perpendicular to the magnets pole,
 
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Skin depth in copper is about 8 mm at 60 Hz, and varies inversely as sqrt(frequency). For rectangular copper conductors, the long dimension should be parallel to the magnetic field.
Bob S
 

1. What is flat wire in generator winding?

Flat wire in generator winding refers to a type of wire that is used in the construction of electric generators. Instead of being round like traditional wire, flat wire is rectangular in shape and allows for a more compact winding design.

2. What are the advantages of using flat wire in generator winding?

There are several advantages of using flat wire in generator winding. Firstly, it allows for a higher packing density, meaning more wire can be used in a smaller space. This results in a more efficient generator. Additionally, flat wire has a larger surface area compared to round wire, which can improve heat dissipation and reduce the risk of overheating.

3. How is flat wire made for use in generator winding?

Flat wire is typically made by drawing round wire through a series of dies to achieve the desired rectangular shape. This process can be repeated multiple times to achieve the desired thickness. The wire may also be heat-treated to improve its conductivity and strength.

4. Can flat wire be used in all types of generators?

While flat wire can be used in most types of generators, it is most commonly used in high-speed or high-power applications. This is because the compact design of flat wire allows for higher current densities and more efficient power transmission.

5. Are there any disadvantages to using flat wire in generator winding?

One potential disadvantage of using flat wire in generator winding is that it can be more expensive compared to traditional round wire. Additionally, the manufacturing process for flat wire is more complex and may require specialized equipment, which can also contribute to the higher cost. However, the efficiency and performance benefits of using flat wire may outweigh these costs in certain applications.

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