Lagrangian Dynamics problem - with setup

In summary, the problem involves a simple pendulum attached to a massless support that is moving horizontally with constant acceleration. The equations of motion need to be determined, with x = b sin theta and y = b cos theta for the pendulum and x = (v0)t +.5a*t^2 - b sin theta for the support. The kinetic energy is 1/2 m (x'^2+y'^2) and the potential energy is U=mgy. To find the Lagrangian, the position of the pendulum relative to the support and the position of the support relative to the fixed lab need to be calculated. The kinetic and potential energies can then be determined and used to find the Lagrangian. Assistance
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Lagrangian Dynamics problem -- need help with setup

Here's the problem:
A simple pendulum of length b and bob with mass m is attached to a massless support moving horizontally with constant acceleration a. Determine the equations of motion.

For the pendulum, x = b sin theta and y = b cos theta (Which of these equations should I use? y = b cos theta?)
For the support, x = (v0)t +.5a*t^2 - b sin theta? Is this correct?
Kinetic energy is 1/2 m (x'^2+y'^2), correct?
Potential energy is U=mgy.

If my equations are wrong, could someone tell me why and how to correct them? Your help is greatly appreciated!
 
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Remember that the support is massless so it has no kinetic or potential energy; you should just think of the support as being accelerated externally. To find the Lagrangian, you need only know the kinetic and potential energy of the pendulum, right? Start by writing the position of the pendulum relative to the support (hint: this is your usual pendulum position), and then write the position of the support relative to fixed lab (hint: this term should involve the acceleration). Once you have these two pieces, add them to obtain the position of the pendulum relative to the inertial frame. From this you can calculate the kinetic and potential energies and thus the Lagrangian.
 

1. What is the Lagrangian Dynamics problem?

The Lagrangian Dynamics problem is a mathematical approach used to describe the behavior of a physical system by considering the energy of the system rather than the forces acting on it. It was developed by Joseph-Louis Lagrange in the late 18th century and is commonly used in classical mechanics to solve problems involving motion and forces.

2. How is the Lagrangian Dynamics problem set up?

The Lagrangian Dynamics problem is set up by defining a Lagrangian function, which is the difference between the kinetic and potential energy of the system. This function is then used to derive the equations of motion for the system using the principle of least action. The equations can then be solved to determine the behavior of the system over time.

3. What are the advantages of using Lagrangian Dynamics over other methods?

One of the main advantages of using Lagrangian Dynamics is that it simplifies the problem by reducing the number of variables needed to describe the system. This makes it easier to solve complex problems and can also provide a more intuitive understanding of the system's behavior. Additionally, the use of the principle of least action makes it possible to solve problems that may be difficult to solve using other methods.

4. What types of systems can be solved using Lagrangian Dynamics?

Lagrangian Dynamics can be applied to a wide variety of physical systems, including mechanical, electrical, and even quantum systems. It is particularly useful for systems with multiple degrees of freedom, such as a pendulum or a double pendulum.

5. Are there any limitations to using Lagrangian Dynamics?

While Lagrangian Dynamics is a powerful tool for solving problems in classical mechanics, it does have some limitations. It is not suitable for systems with dissipative forces, such as friction, and it also cannot account for non-conservative forces. In some cases, other methods may be more appropriate for solving a particular problem.

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