Speed of Gravity = c: Does Traveling at C Affect Gravity?

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The discussion revolves around the implications of the speed of gravity being equal to the speed of light (c) and whether an object traveling at c would experience gravity. Participants explore theoretical scenarios and the nature of gravitational effects on light and massive objects.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that if gravity travels at c, then an object traveling at c would not feel the effects of gravity, as it cannot be affected by changes in gravitational fields that propagate at light speed.
  • Others argue that light, which travels at c, is still affected by gravity through the curvature of space-time, suggesting that gravity influences the path of photons.
  • A later reply questions the scenario where a massive object suddenly appears in a previously flat area of space-time, suggesting that gravity waves would propagate at light speed and would not affect a photon that has already passed through that region.
  • Some participants note that since no particle with rest mass can reach c, the question of what would happen if it could is somewhat moot.
  • There is mention of a reported range for the speed of gravity being between 0.8 and 1.05 c, with a call for more accurate tests to confirm this and its implications for theoretical physics.
  • One participant references a specific experiment by Sergei Kopeikin, which purportedly measured the speed of gravity but was critiqued for potentially measuring light instead.

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Participants express differing views on the implications of the speed of gravity and whether the question of objects traveling at c is meaningful. There is no consensus on the interpretations of gravity's effects on light and massive objects.

Contextual Notes

Some statements rely on assumptions about the nature of gravity and the behavior of light in curved space-time. The discussion includes references to experimental findings that may not be universally accepted or may require further validation.

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it has been reported that the speed of gravity = c does this mean that an object traveling at c would not feel the efects of gravity?
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Originally posted by wolram
it has been reported that the speed of gravity = c does this mean that an object traveling at c would not feel the efects of gravity?
ttayeg
Well... since an object can't travel at C, its kinda a pointless question. LIGHT however, travels at C and is affected by gravity (or rather the curvature of space that gravity creates).
 
Right, the path of a photon is affected when it travels through an area of space-time that has already been curved by gravity.

However, if a photon were to pass through a relatively "flat" area of space-time and, after it had passed, a massive object (such as a planet) suddenly materialized in that space, the gravity from that planet would (theoretically) never effect that photon. The sudden appearance of the planet would send a huge gravity wave out in all directions, this wave would propagate at lightspeed, and never "catch up" to anything traveling at lightspeed the had already passed.
 


Greetings !
Originally posted by wolram
it has been reported that the speed of gravity = c ...
I believe the current proven possible range
was reported to be something like 0.8 - 1.05 c.
(This could be outdated or slightly inaccurate info.)
More accurate tests are still required to
make sure that reality "follows" the laws of theory.

As for the question - since no particle with rest
mass can reach c, it is somewhat pointless to ask
"What if... ?" about this.

Live long and prosper.
 
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Originally posted by drag
Greetings !

I believe the current proven possible range
was reported to be something like 0.8 - 1.05 c.
(This could be outdated or slightly inaccurate info.)
More accurate tests are still required to
make sure that reality "follows" the laws of theory.

As for the question - since no particle with rest
mass can reach c, it is somewhat pointless to ask
"What if... ?" about this.

Live long and prosper.

Wouldn't it make sense that gravity would also travel at the speed of light, as it seems more then unlikely it would travel at 1.05c, and as you stated, it has zero rest mass. Those figures seem to ring a bell of a recent experiment done by Sergei Kopeikin in which they, supposedly, measured the speed of gravity by measuring how much "wobble" was in Quasar JO842+1835 as it passed by Jupiter. Upon review by peers, it was reported they simply found a new way to measure light, not actually the speed at which gravity affects space.

Some would have also said it was pointless to ask "What if...there was no ether.":wink:

If nobody asks, then nobody learns!
 
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