Calculate Velocity of Object in Elliptical Orbit

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The discussion revolves around calculating the velocity of an object in an elliptical orbit, specifically focusing on a satellite orbiting the Earth. Participants explore various methods and formulas applicable to elliptical orbits, contrasting them with circular orbits.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about the formula for calculating velocity in an elliptical orbit, noting that the formula v^2=GM/r is only applicable to circular orbits.
  • Another participant introduces the Vis-Viva equation as a generalized formula for elliptical orbits, explaining the variables involved and how it simplifies to the circular orbit formula.
  • Some participants emphasize the importance of conservation of angular momentum and energy in deriving the velocity formula.
  • A participant mentions using conservation of energy to find the velocity, indicating some confusion but ultimately arriving at an answer.
  • There is a discussion about the understanding of the Vis-Viva equation, with one participant questioning another's comprehension of the formula.
  • A later post introduces a related problem involving the orbital period of planets, asking how to solve it based on the semi-major axis.

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Participants generally agree on the relevance of the Vis-Viva equation and the principles of conservation of energy and angular momentum. However, there is some disagreement regarding the understanding and application of these concepts, particularly among participants with different educational backgrounds.

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Some participants express that they have not yet learned certain formulas in their education, which may affect their understanding and application of the discussed concepts.

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This discussion may be useful for students learning about orbital mechanics, particularly those interested in the differences between elliptical and circular orbits, as well as the application of conservation laws in physics.

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i was wondering, is there a particular formula to calculate the velocity of a object in an elliptical orbit. Let's say a satellite orbiting around the earth, and the orbit is elliptical, so how do u calculate the velocity at a certain distance from earth. I tried using the v^2=GM/r, but that's only for circular orbits.
thx for ur time
 
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The generalized form is called the Vis-Viva equation:

[tex]V=\sqrt{\mu*(\frac{2}{r}-\frac{1}{a})}[/tex]

Where [itex]\mu[/itex] is G*M or 398600.4 km^3/sec^2 for Earth,
r is the distance from the center of the Earth and
a is the semimajor axis of the ellipse.

You'll see that for a circular orbit, a = r for all points on the "ellipse" and you get the expected [tex]\sqrt{\frac{\mu}{r}}[/tex]. You can also get the escape velocity by plugging in infinity for a.
 
There are two things that must be remembered

1. Conservation of Angular Momentum
2. Conservation of Energy at any moment

Writing the above equations as function of r,v
and calulate r or v whatever required
 
THanx a lot for the help, even though in high school we haven't learned that formula yet, but it was really helpfull.
 
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even though in high school we haven't learned that formula yet,

Do you understand it? The way you worded that, it sounds like you didn't.

It really isn't any more difficult than sqrt(mu/r). a is half the distance of the longest line in the ellipse, r is the current position. Plug and chug.
 
i also found it using the conservation of energy, except with the formula i was a little confused but somehow i got the answer, with it, so i guess that's an alternate way of doing it as well. but the idea of conservation energy was good because that's how much we are taught so far. and i did understood too, n e ways. thnx again
 
Yes those two equations are basic foundation for deriving formula
 
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Each planet moves around the sun in an elliptical orbit. the orbital period, T,of a planet is the timeit takes the planet to go once around the sun. the orbital period of a planet is proportional to the 3/2 power of the length of its semi-major axis. what is the orbial period (in days) of Mercury whose semi-major axis is 58 million km? what is the period (in years) of Pluto whose semi-major axis is 6,000 million km? the semi-major axis of the Eart is 150 million km.
how do you solve this
 

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