Is a photonic-boom possible?

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The discussion centers around the concept of a "photonic-boom," exploring whether a buildup of light rays similar to a sonic boom could occur if a spaceship were to travel at or near the speed of light while emitting light from a flashlight. Participants examine the implications of such a phenomenon, including potential applications and comparisons to sound waves.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the possibility of a "buildup" of light rays, noting that the speed of light remains constant relative to any observer, thus challenging the idea of a light boom.
  • Another participant introduces Čerenkov radiation as an electromagnetic analogue to a sonic boom, suggesting that such a phenomenon does exist under specific conditions.
  • A different viewpoint suggests that creating a light shockwave is impractical, proposing that it would be more efficient to use a projectile for damage rather than relying on light buildup.
  • One participant mentions that shining light forward would be inefficient due to the intensity loss over distance, advocating for solid projectiles instead.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the feasibility and practicality of a photonic-boom, with some asserting that it is not possible while others reference related phenomena like Čerenkov radiation. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the potential for a light buildup effect.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference concepts such as time dilation and redshift, indicating that assumptions about relativity and the nature of light are critical to the discussion. The implications of light intensity loss over distance are also noted as a limitation in the proposed scenarios.

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is a "photonic-boom" possible?

ok, so I'm sitting in class one day, and my physics teacher is talking about light... and since we had just finished up a section on sound, I was wondering whether there is such an effect as a "light-boom"

that is to say, if we were to have a spaceship that could go exactly at the speed of light, and we attached a flashlight to the front of the ship, could we not cause the buildup of light rays much the same as we can with sound and airplanes? if so, couldn't we make a gigantic weapon with this? let's say that there's life on a planet near alpha centauri, and we go to war with them... couldn't we just send out a ship with a big flashlight on the front, cause the buildup of light particles over the span of 4.3 years, and then decelerate just before hitting the planet? 4.3 years of light would definitely do some amount of damage to their planet, even if it's just blinding everyone on the surface...

I asked my teacher this, and he said something to the effect of "no, because of time dialation." I realize his point, but that makes me wonder how the red shift works, if this effect doesn't...

If anyone knows why this can/can't occur, could you please tell me? it's been bugging me.
 
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could we not cause the buildup of light rays much the same as we can with sound and airplanes?
A "buildup" relative to what? In any case, the speed of light relative to any reference is the speed of light. If you were standing on the bridge of such a spaceship (I'm going to assume moving at 99.9% the speed of light relative to a given planet. If you say "moving at the speed of light" you are rejecting relativity and there is no way to answer your question.) you would see the light rays moving away from you at speed c. If you were standing on that planet watching the ship go by, you would see the light rays moving away from it at speed c. No buildup.
 
the electromagnetic analogue of the sonic boom does indeed occur. it is called Čerenkov radiation.
 
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It's impractical (but possible) to create a light shockwave. There are several different methods for doing this.

The method you describe is a bit silly because it would be easier, more efficient, and more damaging to simply accelerate a projectile and let it run into the planet.

Shining a light forward, is inefficient because light loses intensity with the distance cubed, so it's better to keep the projectile solid so that all of the energy in the projectile can be used.
 
There is a phenomenom called Cerenekov radiation, which is caused by particles entering a medium, traveling faster than the speed of light of the medium. The result is a radiation pattern similar to supersonic shock waves.
 

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