Highly resistant bacteria in France

  • Thread starter Thread starter Monique
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    Bacteria
Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the emergence of highly resistant bacteria, specifically Acinetobacter baumannii, in hospitals in northern France, alongside a broader conversation about public health responses to extreme heat events and their implications on mortality rates.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express concern about the rise of Acinetobacter baumannii and its resistance to antibiotics, suggesting the need for better regulations and new drug development.
  • One participant humorously attributes the situation to co-evolution, indicating a frustration with the ongoing challenges in public health.
  • Another participant draws a parallel between the current health crisis and past events, suggesting that media coverage may exaggerate the situation, while also critiquing the French government's preparedness for heat-related deaths.
  • There is a debate over the number of heat-related deaths in France, with one participant correcting another's figure and discussing the lack of air conditioning as a contributing factor to mortality.
  • Participants discuss the implications of staffing shortages in nursing homes during heat waves, attributing many deaths to understaffing and the timing of vacations for healthcare workers.
  • Concerns are raised about the vulnerability of the elderly during heat events, particularly regarding their ability to sense thirst and the need for monitoring.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the causes of the high mortality rates during heat waves or the adequacy of the French government's response. Multiple competing views remain regarding the effectiveness of public health measures and the role of environmental factors.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the adequacy of responses to both the bacterial outbreak and the heat wave, highlighting limitations in public health infrastructure and preparedness. The discussion reflects a range of assumptions about government responsibility and societal vulnerability.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to public health professionals, epidemiologists, and those studying the impacts of climate change on health outcomes.

Monique
Staff Emeritus
Science Advisor
Gold Member
Messages
4,229
Reaction score
61
In diverse hospitals in the north of France a bacteria resistant against almost all antibiotics is on the rise. Of the 112 patients since summer, 18 have died.

The pathogen is Acinetobacter baumannii.


And this is just the start if we don't come up with some good antibiotic regulations and some new drugs.
 
Biology news on Phys.org
Damn you, co-evolution. :frown:

- Warren
 
I smell another SARS style news frenzy coming up...

Then again, over 5,000 French people died from slightly above average New York summer temperatures, so who knows, maybe this is just another indication of French inferiority...
 
Last edited:
5,000? You forgot the 1: it was 15,000 at least. Don't forget we don't have airconditioning in houses here in Europe, in NY they do and are thus better prepaired to deal with such situations.
 
Originally posted by Monique
5,000? You forgot the 1: it was 15,000 at least. Don't forget we don't have airconditioning in houses here in Europe, in NY they do and are thus better prepaired to deal with such situations.

Ok, I understand that a large amount of the people who died were sick/elderly/infants, but if all those deaths aren't a sign of the physical inferiority of the french people, then it's a clear indication of inferiority of the french govt. It really wouldn't have been that hard to do quite a bit of things to help out people.

They could have imported air conditioners and set up the extra power lines and saved quite a bit of the people in cities and large suburbs.

They could have given large public areas like libraries and recreation centers air conditioning and told people to spend their time there if they were in high risk categories during the day.

They could have done a lot of things that a government has the power, money and ingenuity to do when thousands of their citizens are in danger that a 15 year old kid can't think of off the top of his head.

I'd certainly hope that the govt of france and any other simmilarly afflicted countries would have made it one of the foremost parts of their agendas to prepare their country for any future summers which might reach temperatures that are commonly reached and exceded in america and result in only a few hundred (if even that many) heat related deaths nationally.
 
Perhaps in france the temperatures ever reached that high .. thus no need to prepare for such situations.

And no offence wasteofo2, I just found it amusing that your solution is so much akin to the old joke that went along the lines of "Global warming? Why don't we just turn on all the airconditioners! "
 
THE FACT THAT over twelve thousand elderly died can be traced to two main triggering events.

One, the temperature, which rarely goes above 100 went above 100.

Two, Many of the health care workers and personell and the general population , all take their vacations in august.

Eighty percent of the elderly died in understaffed nursing homes, the others at home where their children had left them unattended.

The nursing homes were understaffed due to the yearly vacations.

The one benefit of the overly litiginous malpractice environment of the US is that no area , wether nursing home, hospital, private practice etc. allows their majority health care personell or doctors to take their vacations en masse and thus become lacking for personelle coverage. This will probably be a policy now in France and other European countries where such cross coverage liability has never been seen as an issue. Remember, the elderly have lost almost all ability to sense thirst and their thermoregulatory mechanisms are impaired which makes them more susceptible to dehydration and heat exhaustion unless someone is pushing fluids and monitoring them for over heating.
 
Originally posted by adrenaline
THE FACT THAT over twelve thousand elderly died can be traced to two main triggering events.

One, the temperature, which rarely goes above 100 went above 100.

Two, Many of the health care workers and personell and the general population , all take their vacations in august.

Eighty percent of the elderly died in understaffed nursing homes, the others at home where their children had left them unattended.

The nursing homes were understaffed due to the yearly vacations.

The one benefit of the overly litiginous malpractice environment of the US is that no area , wether nursing home, hospital, private practice etc. allows their majority health care personell or doctors to take their vacations en masse and thus become lacking for personelle coverage. This will probably be a policy now in France and other European countries where such cross coverage liability has never been seen as an issue. Remember, the elderly have lost almost all ability to sense thirst and their thermoregulatory mechanisms are impaired which makes them more susceptible to dehydration and heat exhaustion unless someone is pushing fluids and monitoring them for over heating.

jeez, that's even worse, they're all so concentrated that it really wouldn't have been that hard to put air conditioners in the windows...
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 18 ·
Replies
18
Views
6K
Replies
1
Views
3K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
4K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
4K
Replies
2
Views
4K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
5K
  • · Replies 47 ·
2
Replies
47
Views
11K
Replies
8
Views
3K
  • · Replies 11 ·
Replies
11
Views
7K