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## Pretty woman ... Yeah, yeah, yeah!

 HAMILTON, ONT. - Men's minds may be so rattled by the sight of a pretty woman that they behave irrationally, Canadian psychologists have shown. Scientists know animals prefer short-term gains to longer-term ones, even if the future payoff is larger. Advertisements featuring attractive women take advantage of the effect in people. Researchers at McMaster University in Hamilton, Ont., designed an experiment to investigate sex-related "irrational discounting." Psychologists Margo Wilson and Martin Daly asked 209 students to look at pictures of the opposite sex from the website "Hot or Not." The participants were then asked if they'd prefer receiving an average of $19 immediately or waiting for$25 at some future time. After eyeballing faces of women ranked as pretty on the website, men were more likely to want the immediate payment rather than hang on for a bigger bonus. Women's choices, though, were unaffected by photos of handsome men. The researchers suggest men may want money immediately to impress the ladies. The study appears in this week's online issue of Proceedings of the Royal Society London B.
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 The researchers suggest men may want money immediately to impress the ladies.
Are they serious.. money to impress the 2D picture on the screen or what?
 Recognitions: Gold Member Staff Emeritus In men, at least, visual stimulus seems to be hooked directly into deeper behavior sections of the brain. I have posted before my own crank theory why this might be so, and certainly the porn industry would suggest it is true. So it may be irrational, but it's not unexpected, that men would start courting behavior ("money to impress...") based on nothing more than a picture.

## Pretty woman ... Yeah, yeah, yeah!

Well, according to Professor J. Philippe Rushton (http://www.ssc.uwo.ca/psychology/faculty/rushton.html), Northern men court women through their show of social status and money, while the women show off their sexuality. In other words, Northern men want looks, Northern women want money/social social status/intelligence.

But, Rushton says that equitorial men attract women by showing off their muscles, penis size, and athletic ability, while equitorial women are the same as Northen women, or something like that. The evolutionary explanation for this is that in equitorial regions, high intelligence was not really needed to reproduce successfully, but in the North, larger brains were needed to figure out how to find shelter, make clothing, find food. Women were better off choosing intelligence over strength in the North. Plus, tribes were highly separated from each other in the North; finding shelter and food was more of a problem than fighting rival tribes. But inter-tribal conflict was much more of a problem in equitorial regions, such as in Africa and the Middle East. Here, strenth to fight off rival tribes was more important.

Of course, though the above is the natural inclinations of people, it is possible to resist such urges and make wiser reproductive choices. I am part of an equitorial race and I am always thinking about female's naked bodies, but since I am a eugenicist, I will only reproduce with a female with good genetic stock (high intelligence, good behavioral traits, no genetic diseases) and sooth my sexual desires via masturbation.

Carlos Hernandez
 Recognitions: Gold Member Staff Emeritus Forgive me, but the professor's explanation strike me as self indulgent fanasizing; just-so stories in fact. As to your eugenic concerns, have you found anyone who measures up? Would you accept a woman who met your IQ and health constraints, but was of another race? Remember, you can't affect the population quality of the future if you don't reporduce!
 This seems to perpetuate the myth that women don't care about what a guy looks like. Before you even have any chance with a woman, you have to pass her physical attraction test, at least in the beginning.
 Recognitions: Gold Member Science Advisor Staff Emeritus It's usually "common sense" that women are not as concerned about looks as are men -- I don't have any real numbers to back it up, but it sure does seem to be true in my experience. (Hey, don't throw any tomatoes!) In fact, I once saw a website gallery of photographs of beautiful women with horrifically ugly boyfriends. Yes, women do generally care about whether or not a man is attractive -- but much less so than men care about whether or not a woman is attractive. - Warren

 Originally posted by selfAdjoint Forgive me, but the professor's explanation strike me as self indulgent fanasizing; just-so stories in fact.
His site which I posted has ample physical and psychological data. But I do understand your emotional reaction, most of us are like that when presented with an argument antagonistic to our individual world views. It takes time getting used to new data.

 As to your eugenic concerns, have you found anyone who measures up? Would you accept a woman who met your IQ and health constraints, but was of another race? Remember, you can't affect the population quality of the future if you don't reporduce!
IQ and health are just two of the factors, I also want a mate with good personality/behavioral traits, such as high conscientiousness, Typical Intellectual engagement, healthy ethnocentrism, balanced altruism, and creativity. Once I find such a mate, I will produce 3 offspring.

With regards to race, I am only attracted to East Asians, Whites, and Hispanic women.

Carlos Hernandez

 Originally posted by The_Professional This seems to perpetuate the myth that women don't care about what a guy looks like. Before you even have any chance with a woman, you have to pass her physical attraction test, at least in the beginning.
First, according to the professor, you can't generalize all women as the same, but you must divide them into Northern women (East Asians and Europeans) and then Equitorial women (South and South-East Asians, Arabs, Africans, Mullatos, etc.) What Professor Rushton says is that the Northern women place more emphasis on social status/intelligence/wealth than do equitorial women. But yes, all women do value good looks too, after all, what female wants to have sex with a very hideous male?

Carlos Hernandez

 Originally posted by chroot And if she only wants two, you'll beat her. Right? - Warren
Beating my wife is illegal and I obey the laws.

Second, such things as number of offspring desired is something we must agree to before getting married. If we have different idealist viewpoints, we would not get married.

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 Originally posted by Carlos Hernandez If we have different idealist viewpoints, we would not get married.
A) Why get married then? It seems you've already assigned your wife a purpose: as a concubine to produce your three offspring. You certainly don't need to marry her. Just use her as a breeding machine, then throw her out the door and raise the kids yourself. After all, she'll probably try to get involved in decisions about their parenting, and that would be intolerable!

B) You don't date much, do ya?

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 Originally posted by chroot A) Why get married then? It seems you've already assigned your wife a purpose: as a concubine to produce your three offspring. You certainly don't need to marry her. Just use her as a breeding machine, then throw her out the door and raise the kids yourself. After all, she'll probably try to get involved in decisions about their parenting, and that would be intolerable! B) You don't date much, do ya? - Warren
Please learn the rules of rational debate at http://www.infidels.org/news/atheism/logic.html

Carlos Hernandez
 Recognitions: Gold Member Science Advisor Staff Emeritus I don't recall engaging in a debate. I recall making fun of you for your views on the utility of women. - Warren

 Originally posted by chroot I don't recall engaging in a debate. I recall making fun of you for your views on the utility of women. - Warren
Please don't reduce the quality of this forum by engaging in ad hominem.

Second, I consider both males and females as utilitarian objects. I am a pragmatist and stoic, you obviously are a sentimentalist. To each his own.

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 Originally posted by Carlos Hernandez I consider both males and females as utilitarian objects. I am a pragmatist and stoic
And, like I said, that attitude probably means you'll never get laid -- much less the requisite three times.

- Warren

 Originally posted by Carlos Hernandez Second, I consider both males and females as utilitarian objects. I am a pragmatist and stoic, you obviously are a sentimentalist. To each his own. Carlos Hernandez
Heil Heil ve vait for the 4th Reich...

 Originally posted by chroot And, like I said, that attitude probably means you'll never get laid -- much less the requisite three times. - Warren