Questions about roller coaster physics

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The discussion revolves around the physics of roller coasters, focusing on concepts such as energy conservation, forces, and the effects of friction. Participants explore both theoretical and practical aspects of roller coaster design and operation.

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  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that roller coasters operate on the principle of conservation of energy, converting potential energy to kinetic energy and vice versa.
  • Another participant suggests that classical mechanics, represented by the equation m\vec{a}=\sum_i \vec{F}_i, is fundamental to understanding roller coaster physics.
  • A different participant argues that changes in direction (z-plane) do not significantly affect the physics, with friction being a minor factor compared to energy conservation.
  • One post mentions that detailed engineering considerations, such as the placement of twists and turns, are crucial for roller coaster design.
  • A participant provides a basic equation relating potential energy and friction loss when calculating speed from the top of a hill to the bottom.
  • Another participant offers a formula for calculating the velocity of a cart at a certain height below its starting point, specifically \(\sqrt{2 g h}\).
  • One participant inquires about resources for a research paper on roller coaster physics, asking about the necessary level of mathematics for construction and stability analysis.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints on the physics of roller coasters, with some agreeing on the role of energy conservation while others emphasize different aspects such as friction and engineering considerations. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing views presented.

Contextual Notes

Some limitations include assumptions about negligible friction, the dependence on specific definitions of forces, and the scope of engineering versus physics discussions. The mathematical steps for calculating velocity around loops are not fully resolved.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to students studying physics or engineering, enthusiasts of roller coasters, and individuals seeking to understand the principles behind amusement park ride design.

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Hello, I'v lately been intrigued by roller coasters as of late (notice my prior post about that app)

I havnt been able to find any good websites to explain the physics of roller coasters in detail. I know of-coarse that it works on conservation of energy, that the initial potential energy is converted into kinetic at the bottom of hills and back into potential at tops. But there has got to be more, how does change in the direction (z-plane?) change the physics?
 
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I think [tex]m\vec{a}=\sum_i \vec{F}_i[/tex] pretty much sums it all up. It's just classical mechanics: write down all the forces and plug it into Newton.
 
Originally posted by Matt Jacques
But there has got to be more, how does change in the direction (z-plane?) change the physics?
If you mean the g-forces, It really doesn't. The only thing that affects is friction, which is pretty low anyway (wind is probably the biggest component). So except for friction loss, you can use conservation of energy to calculate the speed of a roller coaster anywhere on the track.
 
In the limit of negligible friction, a roller coaster is quite classical. The more detailed questions would be better adressed in an engineering context than a physics context: i.e. what's the best way to get the thing started, where should we put the twists and turns, how often do we need to include repeaters and where...
 
This is the basic equation to go from a top of a hill to a bottom.

[tex]\frac{1}{2}mv^2 - f \Delta S = mgh[/tex]

But how would one find the velocity around a loop? It's late and my mind is weak. ;)
 
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The velocity of the cart at any distance h below its starting height is

[tex]\sqrt{2 g h}[/tex]

- Warren
 
I have a research paper on the the physics behind roller coasters. Can you direct me to any library resources? What level of math would one need to accomplish the construction? How does math created a stable ride?
 

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