Factors involved in water evaporation?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the factors influencing the evaporation rate of water, exploring both theoretical and empirical approaches. Participants examine the interplay of temperature, relative humidity, and other variables in determining net evaporation rates, as well as the complexities involved in modeling these processes.

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  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants seek a formula for the evaporation rate of water, suggesting it involves temperature, dew point, and relative humidity.
  • One participant notes that the rate of evaporation equals the rate of condensation at equilibrium, indicating that net mass transfer is a function of temperature alone.
  • Another participant clarifies their interest in the net evaporation rate, emphasizing that at 100% relative humidity, net evaporation should cease.
  • There is mention of various factors that could influence evaporation, including wind speed and surface temperatures, with a suggestion to consider both first principles and empirical correlations.
  • A participant expresses a desire for specific graphs depicting net evaporation against temperature and relative humidity, indicating a preference for empirical data.
  • One reply suggests that the evaporation rate at a specific temperature is constant in a closed system, with vapor pressure being a key factor in determining net evaporation rates.
  • Another participant provides a mathematical approach using the Clausius-Clapeyron equation to relate vapor pressure to temperature, while also referencing the Maxwell distribution of kinetic energy.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying views on the best approach to understanding evaporation rates, with some favoring empirical data and others emphasizing theoretical models. There is no consensus on a single formula or method, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the most effective way to calculate net evaporation rates.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the complexity of accurately modeling evaporation rates due to the multitude of influencing factors and the challenges in applying theoretical principles to real-world scenarios.

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Does anyone know the formula that describes the evaporation rate of water?
I'm assuming it involves temperature, dew point, relative humidity and other factors. Thanks in advance.
 
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"The formula?" Depends on what you mean when you say "evaporation rate." "Rate" of evaporation equals rate of condensation when a liquid is in equilibrium with a vapor phase; that rate is a function of temperature ONLY --- there is zero net mass transfer between phases. If you're hunting for mass transfer rates in boilers, tea kettles, from goldfish ponds, you will start with vapor pressure (and Langmuir --- see Knudsen vapor pressure measurement), and add vapor volume exchange rates, vapor diffusion, surface area of the liquid-vapor phase boundary, and on, and on, in a nightmare transport problem.
 
To be more precise, I'm looking for the net evaporation rate.
Since condensation and evaporation are both occurring simultaneously, i would like to know the net removal of water. Like i said before, this should depend on temperature and relative humidity.
If relative humidity is 100%, there should be no net evaporation of water since the the air would be saturated.
 
This is taking on a meteorological flavor --- there are no doubt ad hoc "models" for wind speed, air temp, water/snow pack surface temp, ground temp beneath the water/pack.

Are you looking for a "first principles" approach, or reviews of empirical correlations? Listing the first principles factors isn't too much trouble, but actually applying them to calculate rates that even agree in sign with what is actually measured can be a real b####. Empirical approaches roll the known (but tough to handle factors) into fit parameters, and let you move on.
 
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i'm looking for both first principle amd empirical correlations answers. the latter is more important to me.
I would like to see the following graphs

1. net evaporation of water vs temp at 10%,30%,50%,70% relative humidity
2. net evaporation of water vs relative humidity at 10,13,16,20,23,26 degress celsius

the best would a 3-d graph
of relative humidity vs. temperature vs. net evaporation rate(mg/m2?)

a formula would be the best.
 
Can't help you with the empirical stuff --- hit chem or phys abstracts for "systems, water-air." For first principles, John Margrave, Characterization of High Temperature Vapors, 1967 --- this is tough to find --- but is available through interlibrary loan.
 
I am assuming that you just want to see if it can be done, not actually find the answer yourself. There are a couple of ways to obtain the answer.

First of all the evaporation rate of water at a specific temperature is a constant. If you wish to find the net evaporation rate, you need to consider water in a closed container. In this case, the vapor pressure, at any temperature will always be the same regardless of the volume of the container; humidity should not be considered as it is not pertinent. Vapor pressure signifies the net evaporation rate. If you place water in a container at a specific temperature, the evaporation rate is constant. Nevertheless condensation rate increases until it has reached the evaporation rate. The reason that evaporation rate is a constant at specific temperature is applicable to the maxwell distribution of kinetic energy at a specific temperature.

If you wish to find the vapor pressures of water at different temperatures consider the following equation which is a derivation of the Clausius-Claperyron equation:

lnP1/P2 = (40790/R)((T1-T2)/T1T2)

Remember that at 373K the pressure is 1 atm.

One way is to look up the maxwell distribution curve for water at a particular temperature. I am sure that by now we have the actual data correlation between temperature and kinetic energy distribution and even rate of evaporation. Ask any chemistry teacher and I am sure they will be glad to help.

Here is a rather practical way using general chemistry:

Using the above equation you can find the vapor pressure at any temperature of water.

Using Henry's law-c=kP-you can find the solubility which is c in mol/L dissolved.

This will reflect the rate of evaporation. Think about it.

I will check back to make sure everything that I said is accurate, it certainly may not be.
 
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