Understanding Euler's Formula for Complex Numbers - Tips for Evaluating e^ix

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The discussion centers on Euler's formula for complex numbers, specifically the expression e^ix = cosx + isinx. Participants explore how to evaluate expressions involving complex numbers in polar form and the implications of using Euler's formula in various contexts.

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  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about how e^ix leads to a complex number and asks for clarification on evaluating e^ix.
  • Another participant introduces a more general form of complex numbers in polar coordinates, suggesting that it relates to switching between polar and rectangular coordinates.
  • A participant questions whether the polar form is merely a convenience, prompting a response that emphasizes its significance through power series comparisons.
  • Discussion includes the evaluation of expressions like 3^{2i} using Euler's formula, with a participant providing a specific example.
  • There is mention of the multivalued nature of the function x^y, indicating complexity in evaluating such expressions.
  • One participant suggests that Euler's formula is the primary method for evaluating expressions involving imaginary exponents.
  • A clarification is sought regarding the arctan function in the context of converting between forms of complex numbers.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding and approaches to evaluating complex numbers, with no consensus reached on the best method or interpretation of certain expressions.

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Some discussions involve assumptions about familiarity with Taylor series and the definitions of complex number forms, which may not be universally understood among all participants.

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I just started studying complex numbers. It says complex numbers in polar form can be expressed as a power of e:

e^ix = cosx + isinx

I don't quite understand how this equation works.
How do i evaluate e^ix? And how does taking e to the power of ix get me a complex number a + bi or even in polar form?
 
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To get all complex numbers, you need the somewhat more general form:
[tex]re^{i\theta}=r\sin{\theta}+ir\cos{\theta}[/tex]

Now, the other direction is also not bad
[tex]z=x+iy=\sqrt{x^2+y^2} e^{i\arctan{\frac{x}{y}}}[/tex]

If you think of [tex]r[/tex] as the radius, and [tex]\theta[/tex] as the angle anti-clockwise from the positive axis, you'll find that this corresponds to switching between polar and rectangular coordinates.
 
So [tex]re^{i\theta}[/tex] is merely a convenience in writing?
 
It is more than a convenience. One way to look at it is by power series of eix and compare to power series for sinx and cos x. You will see that eix=cosx+isinx.
 
Ok, yes i think I'm beginning to understand. How do one evaluate xi? For example, what's 32i?
 
If you are thinking of x^n being the product of n x's, and want to apply that here, you are out of luck. When the exponent is imaginary, it doesn't really carry over. Think of it as a generalization.

Are you familiar with Taylor series?

[tex]e^x=1+x+{x^2\over 2}+{x^3\over 3!}+{x^4\over 4!}+...[/tex]

[tex]\sin x=x-{x^3\over 3!}+{x^5\over 5!}-...[/tex]

[tex]\cos x=1-{x^2\over 2}+{x^4\over 4!}-...[/tex]

The result follows from these.
 
Well, you can do the following:

[tex]3^{2i}=e^{\ln{3} *2i}=\cos{2\ln{3}}+i\sin{2\ln{3}}[/tex]

If you're feeling a bit more adventerous, there is a power series for [tex]3^x[/tex] which is going to give you the same result.
 
Ok, thanks! So the only way of evaluating xiy is by using Euler's formula, which we know to be true? I can see the use of the formula more clearly now.
 
For the record, x^y is usually a multivalued function.
 
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Originally posted by AndersHermansson
Ok, thanks! So the only way of evaluating xiy is by using Euler's formula, which we know to be true? I can see the use of the formula more clearly now.
Think of it as a way to calculate [tex]x^{iy}[/tex].
 
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Originally posted by NateTG
To get all complex numbers, you need the somewhat more general form:
[tex]re^{i\theta}=r\sin{\theta}+ir\cos{\theta}[/tex]

Now, the other direction is also not bad
[tex]z=x+iy=\sqrt{x^2+y^2} e^{i\arctan{\frac{x}{y}}}[/tex]

If you think of [tex]r[/tex] as the radius, and [tex]\theta[/tex] as the angle anti-clockwise from the positive axis, you'll find that this corresponds to switching between polar and rectangular coordinates.

should that be arctan(y/x)?
 

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