What Drives the Functionality of Covalent Bonds in Chemistry?

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The discussion revolves around the functionality of covalent bonds in chemistry, exploring the underlying principles that govern their formation and characteristics. Participants address questions related to electron behavior, bond angles, and the rules governing electron occupancy in atomic shells, incorporating aspects of quantum mechanics and classical theories.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that covalent bonds can be understood as atoms competing for shared electrons, although this analogy may not fully capture the complexity of the interactions involved.
  • There is a mention of the importance of quantum mechanics in explaining the behavior of electrons in covalent bonds and the prediction of bond angles.
  • Participants discuss the bond angle in H2O, noting that while VSEPR theory predicts a bond angle of 109.5 degrees, the actual angle is approximately 105.7 degrees due to lone pair repulsion.
  • The Pauli Exclusion Principle is referenced as a factor in determining how many electrons can occupy a shell, indicating a connection to quantum mechanics.
  • There is a consensus that electrons and protons have equal charge, although the phrasing of this agreement varies among participants.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the role of quantum mechanics in understanding covalent bonds and electron behavior, but there are varying interpretations and analogies regarding the nature of covalent bonding and the specifics of electron occupancy in shells. The discussion remains unresolved on some points, particularly regarding the analogies used to describe covalent bonding.

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Some claims rely on assumptions about the applicability of quantum mechanics and may not fully address the complexities of atomic interactions. The discussion includes varying levels of understanding among participants, which may affect the clarity of explanations.

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This discussion may be useful for students and enthusiasts of chemistry, particularly those interested in the foundational concepts of covalent bonding and the role of quantum mechanics in atomic theory.

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1. Why exactly does a covalent bond work? I understand how the electrons fill up the shells and so forth, but why does it work. Is the bond caused by the two atoms "competing" for the same electron that pulls them together? Is that a correct analogy?

2. Are electrons EXACTLY the same charge as the proton?


3. How is the bond angle in H2O predicted by physics?

4. What dictates how many electrons can occupy a shell?

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Glenn
 
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1. You can kind of think of it like that, yeah. Atoms like to fill their orbitals and if, for example, two hydrogen atoms can share each other's electron then they'll both have complete 1s orbitals. There's really not a great simple way of explaining it without resorting to quantum mechanics. And remember it's not one electron they share, but a pair. There's two electrons in a bond.

2. yes. If not you'd see a net charge in bulk material.

3. With two hydrogen atoms and two lone pairs, according to VSEPR you'd predict that the bond angle would be 109.5 degrees, a perfect tetrahedron. The actual bond angle is something like 105.7 degrees. The hand waving explanation being that the two lone pairs repel each other a little more than the hydrogens atoms, squeezing the latter together.

4. quantum mechanics.
 
4. What dictates how many electrons can occupy a shell?

Doesn't it has to deal with Pauli's Exclusion Principle of Quantum Mechanics?
 
1. Why exactly does a covalent bond work? I understand how the electrons fill up the shells and so forth, but why does it work. Is the bond caused by the two atoms "competing" for the same electron that pulls them together? Is that a correct analogy?

Yeah, something like that. Think of Columb's law. Nevertheless notice that we cannot predict the exact position of the electrons. Nevertheless, this makes sense since a electron which occupied one position with respect to its atoms would be less stable; think of it as the electron working to make sure that the atoms stay together (although the electron does not have a motive of its own).

2. Are electrons EXACTLY the same charge as the proton?
I believe so.

3. How is the bond angle in H2O predicted by physics?
Same as in chemistry. Quantum mechanics.

4. What dictates how many electrons can occupy a shell?
Quantum mechanics, most likely beyond your scope at this point.

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